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jeanpierre 05-11-2021 09:23 AM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920544)
All the All Pros were from the first two rounds except for Danielle Hunter, Blair Walsh and Everson Griffen.

You can do the best player pulling. That's subjective.

Vikings Draft History

Saints, AG, we're talking Saints...

And the best player is subjective, but there can be consensus, plus there is the objective W.A.R....

jeanpierre 05-12-2021 11:04 PM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
Now add up the New Orleans Saints All Pro Honors by round...

jeanpierre 05-14-2021 12:55 AM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
Alright, let's try this...

Who would you say has been the best pick by draft class in production for the Saints?



2006 Draft
  • RB Reggie Bush, R1

  • SS Roman Harper, R2 (Via Trade Back, Gained C Jeff Faine)

  • RG Jahri Evans, R4 (Via Trade Back, Gained NT Hollis Thomas)

  • DE Rob Ninkovich, R5

  • RT Zach Strief, R7

  • WR Marques Colston, R7 (*Compensatory)

2007 Draft Class
  • LT Jermon Bushrod, R4 (Via Trade of WR Donte Stallworth; If PHI re-signed DS, it'd been a R2 pick)

2008 Draft Class
  • DT Sedrick Ellis, R1 (Via Trade)

  • CB Tracy Porter, R2

  • LG Carl Nicks, R5 (Via Trade)

2009 Draft Class
  • CB Malcolm Jenkins, R1

  • P Thomas Morstead, R5 (Via Trade)

2010 Draft Class
  • CB Patrick Robinson, R1

  • TE Jimmy Graham, R3

2011 Draft Class
  • DE Cameron Jordan, R1

  • RB Mark Ingram Jr, R1 (Via Trade)

2012 Draft Class
  • DT Akiem Hicks, R3

2013 Draft Class
  • SS Kenny Vaccaro, R1

  • LT Terron Armstead, R3

  • WR Kenny Stills, R5

2014 Draft Class
  • WR Brandin Cooks, R1 (Via Trade)

2015 Draft Class
  • LT Andrus Peat, R1

  • CB P. J. Williams, R3 (Via Trade of Kenny Stills, Also Gained LB Dannell Ellerbe)

  • NT Tyeler Davison, R5 (Via Trade of Ben Grubbs)

2016 Draft Class
  • DT Sheldon Rankins, R1

  • WR Michael Thomas, R2

  • SS Vonn Bell, R2 (Via Trade)

  • DT David Onyemata, R4 (Via Trade with WAS)

2017 Draft Class
  • CB Marshon Lattimore, R1

  • LT Ryan Ramcyzk, R1 (Via Trade of Jimmy Graham)

  • FS Marcus Williams, R2

  • RB Alvin Kamara, R3 (Via Trade)

  • LB Alex Anzalone, R3

  • DE Trey Hendrickson, R3 (*Compensatory)

  • DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, R6

2018 Draft Class
  • DE Marcus Davenport, R1 (Via Trade)

  • WR Tre'Quan Smith, R3

  • RB Boston Scott, R6

  • OL Will Clapp, R7

2019 Draft Class
  • C Erik McCoy, R2 (Via Trade)

  • SS C. J. Gardner, R4 (Via Trade)

  • LB Kaden Elliss, R7

2020 Draft Class
  • C Cesar Ruiz, R1

  • LB Zack Baun, R3 (Via Trade)

  • TE Adam Trautman, R3 (*Compensatory Via Trade)

  • QB Tommy Stevens, R7 (Via Trade)

Some of our best players in the Payton/Loomis have been acquired throughout the draft and hardly exclusive to Rounds 1 and 2...

Look at 2016, the better DT was taken in R4 and the SS we took in R2, that move up ultimately cost an add'l three picks, isn't even with the team...

jeanpierre 05-14-2021 01:13 AM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
Now, want to point something out about trading back into the draft...

In cases like Kamara, we traded a future No 2 to gain an add'l pick to take him in R3...

Full disclosure, was skeptical about the pick that early as still not convinced other teams were going to snag him...

However, it was one pick - one player, and we got him a season early, so that's one of the reasons I don't criticize those moves as much...

But when you put multiple picks into one player, e.g. Davenport two firsts and a fifth, you are eliminating two potential prospects from your pool...

Judging by how much more successful the Saints are in later rounds vs league, the history is encouraging and should reinforce trust in later round values...

And I'd say our best rounds, or rather our difference-making rounds, have been in rounds 3 & 4...

One other comment, besides the obvious gold we've found in Round 7, the reason why those R7 can be valuable is to secure rights from the UDFA pool...

As the roster improved, especially with Ireland on board, we weren't as successful recruiting UDFAs despite our elite success in that player pool...

With the R7 pick, you can make sure you get that one player you still want there; i.e., Sean traded back in when Tommy Stevens was gonna side with Carolina...

Now, Sean got caught trying to sneak Stevens onto the Practice Squad and lost him, but it showed one of the ways the R7 pick can be as valuable...

AsylumGuido 05-14-2021 11:12 AM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

K Major 05-14-2021 11:27 AM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920671)
Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley :rolleyes:.

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

jeanpierre 05-14-2021 09:44 PM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
When you take in the total history and accumulation of data, as demonstrated, it's clearly evident the Saints do better with more picks...

...irregardless of the round...

jeanpierre 05-14-2021 09:47 PM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 920673)
It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley :rolleyes:.

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

Indeed fortunate to flip a former first round pick we'd slightly reached (Brandin Cooks) to get an elite offensive tackle (Ryan Ramczyk)...

Incidentally, football gods may have been bringing balance as the R3 pick we traded to New England was used by the Patriots to take John Thuney...

And one that our late friend, Hagan, had called...

ChrisXVI 05-15-2021 03:53 PM

Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft
 
We’ll need all the draft picks we can get to trade for Russell Wilson next year.


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