2021 NFL MVP dark horses: Don't sleep on Justin Herbert, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston
 

Another outside-the-box candidate, no doubt about that. I considered Alvin Kamara, but it is just so tough for running backs to win this award. And I still have Sean Payton's comments ringing in my ear from earlier this year, when he told me on SiriusXM Radio that Winston can be a star in his offense. I believe that to be true. Payton is that special. And hey, Winston was a No. 1 overall pick, with the raw arm talent never in question. The QB learned the offense last year. This year, it's time to take off. I think Jameis can live up to his potential in New Orleans.

I don't want to hear the name Taysom Hill. I expect Winston to win the job, throw a ton of touchdown passes, substantially cut down on the picks and be an upgrade in the passing attack from the 2020 version of Drew Brees.

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i’m gonna repeat myself I know. But Payton Manning had a 28 int season with 26 TDs. Favre had a 29 season with only 20 TDs. Tarkenton and Stabler both had more Ints in a season than Winston did in fewer games as seasons were shorter. I can’t for the life of me figure out why people want to write him off for a 34 TD/30 Int season; especially considering he has NEVER had a season with more Ints than TDs.

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Honestly, I'd be happy with serviceable while leaning heavy on the running game and the D.

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I’d take that too.

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We shall see.

AK, Latavius and newly signed FB Armah … running the football is always a good option.

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Drew never won it, Jameis ain’t winning it.

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I know you have repeated that many times. It makes perfect sense.

Haters gonna hate. That's just the way it is. I am growing extremely excited about the possibilities now that I am coming down off the Brees high.

If anyone out there still tries to claim anti-Winston bias based upon ONE season of 33 TD's and 30 picks then I'm sorry. You are full of sh!t. Look at Boston's numbers. THINK! Move beyond whatever you have against him (Winston) and realize we may be in a great position right now.

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The irony is that Winston may win it when Brees never did.

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I’d settle for Comeback Player of the Year!

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One would think.....

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Winston has one legit receiver to target. Kamara is the #2 receiver. And Michael Thomas limped all year so back to 100% is not guaranteed. I doubt Maholmes could win MVP with what Hill or Winston will be working with. Maybe Tua and Burrow are dark horses. They got new weapons. Winston lost weapons. Maybe Tua was shaking off the rust, maybe Burrow will grow in Year 2.

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In Payton's offensive scheme it all depends upon what the defense dictates. Most plays have always had a run or pass option based upon what the defense shows. If the defense shows a hedge toward the run 20 plays in a row they'll end upon passing the ball on almost all of those plays. On the other hand, if the defense plays heavy coverage we see a heavy dose of the run. I know some do not agree with this scheme, but it has produced arguably the best offense in the league over the past decade and a half.

Perhaps without Brees under center there will be less audibling out of the initial call. I guess we'll see.

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I don't think you are giving enough credit to Calloway and the others.

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Welcome to the looking past Drew Brees era AG, it took some time for me also but I’m excited for the next chapter; with Jamesos or Swiss army or both.


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I don't have anti-Winston based on that. It was eating the W, stupid decisions, poor game management. and his overall record. The guy looks like he's missing few brain cells....at least he always came across that way to me.

Nonetheless, he's a Saint now and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but I am not on his band wagon until he proves himself.

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That’s what I’m thinking we had some pretty impressive guys that stood up when we were limping. Well till they started limping also.


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I totally agree st thomas. Callaway was impressive when I saw him out there catching every thing thrown his way. I think he had 19 out of 20 catches to targets last year in phenomenal rookie play considering there was no offseason for the rookie. He looks fluid and blocks well. He'll get a lot of targets this year. Tre Quan has the talent but I don't think that he can get enough separation need for a less accurate QB than Drew. If Smith couldn't make catches with Drew then he's not likely to do better with a QB who is not known for his accuracy. Johnson looked good and is the right fit for the Saints.

On the other hand they may have developed some chemistry running with the two's last year. We have talent and we drafted a speedster to open the field. We'll see how it develops.

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Well said


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I won’t be too surprised if Winston has an MVP kind of year but usually MVP is awarded to a player on a team that will compete for a SB. I don’t think we have the pieces to be one of those teams even if Winston balls out. I could see him as Comeback Player of the Year but Prescott will be hard to beat as others have pointed out.

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Same.

Everyone is hanging on his jock. I'm not doing that. No way. He's had a good team around him before and didn't become some sort of super star.

He still ate W's, threw picks and was a bad decision maker.

I admit that he definitely adds a dimension to the offense that hasn't been there for a few years (arm strength) but I'll hold off on my excitement.

Sorry, I've never been a fan of Winston. Still am not. I hope he makes me one.

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I haven't really seen a lot of posters here being totally enamoured by Winston. I think most of us know that he's made some terrible decsions on and off the field and we hope that he flips the switch from a spoiled prima donna athlete to a guy that behaves like a mature man.
We've read some thoughful responses from Winston that give us hope but he still acts like a large child once in a while.
I consider him Aaron Brooks 2.0 which isn't a terrible thing.

Being shipped out of Tampa, losing a large chunck of money, and spending a season with Drew Brees has to change him for the better, right?

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We can only hope that Winston's new self exploration and revision is working and that he not only makes better decisions on the field but also off the field as well.
I can't fault people for being optimistic. He has a cannon for an arm and we haven't had a QB with arm strength in several years. Yeah yeah, I know that Drew was never known for his arm strength but for his accuracy, timing, and being a quick decision maker who doesn't make many mistakes.

I am slightly optimistic about Winston because Payton is known as the QB whisperer and Winston seems fully dedicated to improving himself. Fingers crossed.

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Well, there is no right or wrong here. We all are hoping one of the Saints QBs steps up and has a fantastic year. That could be Winston, Hill, or Book based upon performance and injuries. As Saints fans we are all hoping for success at QB. Let’s say it happens and one of our QBs has a good/great year. I will ask these questions to us fans ; for who (whom?) are you pulling for
at QB, who is most likely to rise up, and does it matter which QB does?

I will give my answers. 1) I’m pulling for Winston to excel at QB and win the job.

2) I think he is most likely to win the starting job.

3) It matters because Hill is so good as
the jackknife player that if he was to become a Good QB, it would mean Winston becomes a backup again and the team loses a great running/catching threat out of the backfield. Just my thoughts since it’s down time

Myself,

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Winston is a total gomer. Lol

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Well, I’m hearing everyone and all have legit excitement or concern for Winston , but what I’ve learned from Hill is he doesn’t process the information of a read or progression fast enough to hit that receiver in that window, causing the line to collapse and he gets strip sacked ala philly game. He almost has to have a designed run to be successful in his role on this team. Hell if Winston fails in training camp I’ll pull for Swiss army but just don’t see it if Payton controls his asre from trying to make something out of nothing which was his failure and just check down like teddy we will be ok


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Don’t drink the cool-aid. I won’t. In fact, if he is GIVEN the job, I predict he won’t keep it for six games. duh

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$20 says he starts six games or more. Personally, I'm fully expecting him to start every game this season so it would be easy money.

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I hope he can get his problems fixed and he starts a whole lot more than that as a winner.

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Just curious why you think he would be GIVEN the job? They’ve paid Hill more money than Winston and Hill was the starter while Brees was out.

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I honestly think his critics have more problems with Winston than does Winston himself. His only problems have been being on a very poor team with subpar coaching his entire career and then in his final year starting being in an offense that demanded taking chances downfield inviting interceptions. That final year he more than doubled his career average in interceptions to no surprise, yet was still second in the entire league in TD's and led the league in passing yards. All while being sacked one fewer time than the league leaders, Ryan, Wilson, and Murray.