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TheOak 05-25-2021 08:17 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921105)
As I have been saying all along, Winston is the ONLY logical choice to start.

We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 08:32 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 921125)
We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

As I posted in my previous reply ...

"Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly."

Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical.

This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.

TheOak 05-25-2021 09:24 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921126)
As I posted in my previous reply ...

"Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly."

Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical.

This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.

Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

Boston Saint 05-25-2021 09:42 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 921130)
Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

You guys are pulling a Star Trek argument...Guido Spock is arguing about what logic dictates and Oak is pressing the Kirk do the unexpected/ chaos theory side. If I had the know how I’d make a meme!

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 09:59 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 921130)
Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

The uses of Winston and Hill last season was perfectly logical. The fact that you feel Payton may make what you feel as an irrational decision at times doesn't negate that fact.

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iceshack149 05-25-2021 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 921122)
Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready.


You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.



I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 921136)
You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.



I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

I can see that happening, as well. In that case Siemian would be the game day backup. Same logic applies.

Rugby Saint II 05-25-2021 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 921110)
So, what you are saying is that you don't trust CSP. Unlike his previous coaches, CSP is going to design a playbook that maximizes the potential of the player and minimizes the risk. And specifically, as both Brees and Winston have stated, the QB gets input into the game plan, incorporating plays that both feel are the most effective and makes them the QB the most comfortable.

The biggest difference is that Winston will no longer have to play hero ball all the time. With a solid run game and a decent defense, he'll have the opportunity to be a distributor most of the time.

SFIAH

True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much?

SaintFanInATLHELL 05-25-2021 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921139)
True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much?

It's a collaboration. I'm sure that CSP will take the QB1 input under advisement and adjust the game plan accordingly. Brees was essentially an offensive coordinator on the field. So, obviously his input has significantly more weight. But Jameis has said in interviews that giving input to the process is important for success.

SFIAH

neugey 05-25-2021 11:17 AM

Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 921136)
You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.



I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.


Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset.


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