Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback

jnormand · 05-24-2021, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It would be stupid to start Hill over Winston. Even if Hill was a slightly better QB the TEAM would still be better with a lesser Qb under center and Hill in his jack of all trades role.

Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past.

I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play.

I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2021, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past.

I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play.

I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team.

I agree with your “worries” about him not playing if he’s the backup jn. But they are paying him enough money that I don’t see him being wasted riding the pine. Payton will make sure they get their money’s worth out of him.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past.

I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play.

I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team.

Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly.

neugey · 05-25-2021, 07:45 AM

Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready.

iceshack149 · 05-25-2021, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready.

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

I can see that happening, as well. In that case Siemian would be the game day backup. Same logic applies.

neugey · 05-25-2021, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset.

Possibly in a more simplistic scheme, but with all of the multiple packages and reads at the line I think any QB would take some time to begin to feel comfortable back there ... rookie or veteran. Timing is key in this offense and that requires no hesitation from everyone involved. Sure, Payton could "dumb it down" some, but experience is vital. Thus the reason Hill was the starter last season and Winston should be this season. I can't imagine either of the other two QB's playing more than the game day backup role this season.

TheOak · 05-25-2021, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As I have been saying all along, Winston is the ONLY logical choice to start.

We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

As I posted in my previous reply ...

"Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly."

Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical.

This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.

05-24-2021, 10:42 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,759	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by The Dude It would be stupid to start Hill over Winston. Even if Hill was a slightly better QB the TEAM would still be better with a lesser Qb under center and Hill in his jack of all trades role. Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past. I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play. I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-25-2021, 08:01 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by jnormand Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past. I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play. I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team. Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly. bobdog86 and K Major like this.

05-25-2021, 07:45 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready. jnormand likes this.

05-25-2021, 10:04 AM	#5
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,406 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by neugey Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready. You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. AsylumGuido, ChrisXVI and K Major like this.

05-25-2021, 10:16 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by iceshack149 You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. I can see that happening, as well. In that case Siemian would be the game day backup. Same logic applies.

05-25-2021, 06:38 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by jnormand Although I kind of agree with that, if Hill is the #2, are they gonna keep Book on the active roster as the other QB? Basically keeping 3 on like they done in the past. I like Hill. Love the willingness to do whatever it takes to get on the field. I've not known a QB in recent memory that was willing to work on the punt team or go punish LBs. It's the reason I root for him so much. He's very humble. And in today's world of sports, there aren't many humble pro players. That's why he's one of my favorite players in all of sports. He is the only reason I actually watched last year. I just wanted to see him play. I still hope he trains his ass off here in Idaho and goes back to NOLA and becomes the starter. If not, I would hate to see him riding the pine as the #2 and not used in all the other ways he's so beneficial to the team. I agree with your “worries” about him not playing if he’s the backup jn. But they are paying him enough money that I don’t see him being wasted riding the pine. Payton will make sure they get their money’s worth out of him. jnormand and st thomas like this.

05-25-2021, 11:17 AM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by iceshack149 You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset. jnormand likes this.

05-25-2021, 11:46 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by neugey Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset. Possibly in a more simplistic scheme, but with all of the multiple packages and reads at the line I think any QB would take some time to begin to feel comfortable back there ... rookie or veteran. Timing is key in this offense and that requires no hesitation from everyone involved. Sure, Payton could "dumb it down" some, but experience is vital. Thus the reason Hill was the starter last season and Winston should be this season. I can't imagine either of the other two QB's playing more than the game day backup role this season.

05-25-2021, 08:17 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As I have been saying all along, Winston is the ONLY logical choice to start. We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation. With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

05-25-2021, 08:32 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation. With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out. As I posted in my previous reply ... "Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly." Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical. This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.
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