Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback

TheOak · 05-25-2021, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As I have been saying all along, Winston is the ONLY logical choice to start.

We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation.

With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

As I posted in my previous reply ...

"Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly."

Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical.

This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.

TheOak · 05-25-2021, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As I posted in my previous reply ...

"Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly."

Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical.

This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.

Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

You guys are pulling a Star Trek argument...Guido Spock is arguing about what logic dictates and Oak is pressing the Kirk do the unexpected/ chaos theory side. If I had the know how I’d make a meme!

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker.

When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result.

The uses of Winston and Hill last season was perfectly logical. The fact that you feel Payton may make what you feel as an irrational decision at times doesn't negate that fact.

iceshack149 · 05-25-2021, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready.

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2021, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

I can see that happening, as well. In that case Siemian would be the game day backup. Same logic applies.

Rugby Saint II · 05-25-2021, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

So, what you are saying is that you don't trust CSP. Unlike his previous coaches, CSP is going to design a playbook that maximizes the potential of the player and minimizes the risk. And specifically, as both Brees and Winston have stated, the QB gets input into the game plan, incorporating plays that both feel are the most effective and makes them the QB the most comfortable.

The biggest difference is that Winston will no longer have to play hero ball all the time. With a solid run game and a decent defense, he'll have the opportunity to be a distributor most of the time.

SFIAH

True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-25-2021, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much?

It's a collaboration. I'm sure that CSP will take the QB1 input under advisement and adjust the game plan accordingly. Brees was essentially an offensive coordinator on the field. So, obviously his input has significantly more weight. But Jameis has said in interviews that giving input to the process is important for success.

SFIAH

neugey · 05-25-2021, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent.

I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season.

Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset.

05-25-2021, 08:17 AM	#11
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As I have been saying all along, Winston is the ONLY logical choice to start. We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation. With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out.

05-25-2021, 08:32 AM	#12
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak We can say that all day cant we... but that is only half of the equation. With the rest of the equation being how prone Sean Payton is to make constantly logical decisions. You may also want to consider that there has been nothing ground breaking in regards to Winston or Hill since last season yet that logical choice wasn't made in 2020 when Drew was out. As I posted in my previous reply ... "Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly." Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical. This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself.
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05-25-2021, 09:24 AM	#13
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As I posted in my previous reply ... "Hill will not be the backup. It will be the same setup as the past two seasons with Winston as the starter (ala Brees), Book as the game day backup (ala Bridgewater and Winston), and Hill as the utility player/#2 starter in case of extended injury. Hill is too valuable to leave off the field and too valuable to simply play solely game manager at QB. Winston has already embraced that role publicly." Last season the logical choice was Winston in the "game day backup" role, while Hill's game day preparations were as the Swiss army knife. Hill had the playbook down better than Winston for the long run, but Winston (with the game day prep) was to come in during the game if needed. Very logical. This season with a full season under his belt Winston will be Brees, with Book as Winston, and Hill starring as himself. Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker. When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result. jnormand likes this.

05-25-2021, 09:42 AM	#14
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,877	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker. When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result. You guys are pulling a Star Trek argument...Guido Spock is arguing about what logic dictates and Oak is pressing the Kirk do the unexpected/ chaos theory side. If I had the know how I’d make a meme! jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-25-2021, 09:59 AM	#15
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by TheOak Stop saying logic, you are ignoring that Sean Payton is not prone to rational decisions all of the time. There is no logical certainty with an emotional decision maker. When you are this emphatic, you are generally trying to silence the voice in your head telling you there is a high probability of another result. The uses of Winston and Hill last season was perfectly logical. The fact that you feel Payton may make what you feel as an irrational decision at times doesn't negate that fact.

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05-25-2021, 10:04 AM	#16
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,095 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by neugey Once Payton, the coaches and rest of us get to see Book during training camp/preseason, it's going to get harder to resist getting him some playing time or starts this season. He has an ability to manage an offense and extend plays that I think Hill and Winston both lack. Winston's the superior passer, Hill the superior runner, and Book the best all-around QB - once he's ready. You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. AsylumGuido, ChrisXVI and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by iceshack149 You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. I can see that happening, as well. In that case Siemian would be the game day backup. Same logic applies.

05-25-2021, 10:32 AM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL So, what you are saying is that you don't trust CSP. Unlike his previous coaches, CSP is going to design a playbook that maximizes the potential of the player and minimizes the risk. And specifically, as both Brees and Winston have stated, the QB gets input into the game plan, incorporating plays that both feel are the most effective and makes them the QB the most comfortable. The biggest difference is that Winston will no longer have to play hero ball all the time. With a solid run game and a decent defense, he'll have the opportunity to be a distributor most of the time. SFIAH True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much?

05-25-2021, 10:42 AM	#19
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat. Sean trusted Drew but does he trust Winston's input as much? It's a collaboration. I'm sure that CSP will take the QB1 input under advisement and adjust the game plan accordingly. Brees was essentially an offensive coordinator on the field. So, obviously his input has significantly more weight. But Jameis has said in interviews that giving input to the process is important for success. SFIAH

05-25-2021, 11:17 AM	#20
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,606 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Have 1 Clear Favorite At Starting Quarterback Originally Posted by iceshack149 You may be forgetting about a previous starter in the NFL with Trevor Siemian. Not a great player but really tall and has some NFL talent. I think Book will somehow suffer an unspecific injury and be placed on IR so that the Saints can have three QB's with NFL starting experience available throughout the next season. Starting experience can be a bit overrated. I have a hunch Book could be like Gardner Minschew and able to get in there and do fairly well from the outset. jnormand likes this.