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jeanpierre 05-25-2021 01:47 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921129)
Perspective:

LSU LBer Patrick Queen was taken four picks later...

LSU WR Justin Jefferson was taken two picks earlier...

Oh, WR Brandon Aiyuk whom Payton leaked so highly was taken with the next pick...

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921133)
What does that matter? I don't get where "when" a player was picked has any relevance moving forward.

:confused:

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jeanpierre 05-25-2021 01:49 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921131)
I never understood the Ruiz pick/logic by moving a high performing center. But then again Erik is athletic, extremely mobile and bigger so I think he'll become a solid guard.

At least I hope.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921134)
I have heard this said before many times by legendary offensive line coach Paul Anderson, you try to put the five best players available on the offensive line and not dwell on position. Positions can be taught.

So put Peat at LT and Armstead at Center or LG...

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 01:52 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921146)
So put Peat at LT and Armstead at Center or LG...

Now you are being ridiculous. Anderson never said every position is completely interchangeable. But, there is enough latitude between certain positions that putting the five best athletes out there on the offensive lines is perfectly doable.

K Major 05-25-2021 01:55 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921146)
So put Peat at LT and Armstead at Center or LG...

Hey I agree here. Moving a OT to OG or vice versa isn’t easy, and it’s rarely the solution. It's not as seamless as some may think.

Some of our former O lineman out there should chime in with their thoughts :p.

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 01:56 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921145)

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That doesn't explain what relevance the slot at which a player was drafted has after the fact. It is what it is so who should care? Does it matter that Colston was picked in the 7th round? No. The only thing that matters is what he did on the field. Does it matter where Ryan Leaf was selected? No. It only matters that he sucked.

Rugby Saint II 05-25-2021 01:57 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921134)
I have heard this said before many times by legendary offensive line coach Paul Anderson, you try to put the five best players available on the offensive line and not dwell on position. Positions can be taught.

I definitely agree with you about putting your best five out there Guido. As I understand it McCoy was having trouble with the line calls at center his rookie season. I believe that the Saints drafted Ruiz to be the center moving forward because that is what he excelled at in college. After his second year McCoy may may have been better making the calls at the line of scrimmage with more experience under his belt. The front office thought that McCoy would be moved to RG last year while Ruiz took over the center position but an abbreviated season shut that down.

The center is a position where an undersize guy with good technique and high intelligence can do well. That pretty much describes Ruiz' draft profile. He's had a year in an NFL weight training program and is stronger now. I expect to see Ruiz at center with McCoy at RG that can slide over if necessary.

AsylumGuido 05-25-2021 02:11 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921148)
Hey I agree here. Moving a OT to OG or vice versa isn’t easy, and it’s rarely the solution. It's not as seamless as some may think.

Some of our former O lineman out there should chime in with their thoughts :p.

Of course it's not easy, but when the athlete is talented enough it happens quite often, especially during the transition from college to the pros. I am sharing the opinion of one of the most respected offensive line coaches in the history of the game. The discussion was putting your five best OL players on the field as being the optimal plan. Not playing an elite LT at center. That would be asinine.

SmashMouth 05-25-2021 02:51 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921131)
I never understood the Ruiz pick/logic by moving a high performing center. But then again Erik is athletic, extremely mobile and bigger so I think he'll become a solid guard.

At least I hope.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921134)
I have heard this said before many times by legendary offensive line coach Paul Anderson, you try to put the five best players available on the offensive line and not dwell on position. Positions can be taught.

Saints ask their players to be able to handle multiple positions. Ruiz will rotate from Center to Guard, probably. Can he play LT too? We do have Mr. Glass there, even if he's been less injury prone of late.

Boston Saint 05-25-2021 05:00 PM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
I will say this. As hard as I (rightfully) say I am about them being unable to address the LB position, I will give them credit along the OLine development... and yes that includes Peate.

gosaints1 05-26-2021 01:22 AM

Re: Zach Strief: Erik McCoy is on his way to becoming one of NFL’s top centers
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921156)
I will say this. As hard as I (rightfully) say I am about them being unable to address the LB position, I will give them credit along the OLine development... and yes that includes Peate.

Spot on... New Orleans develops offensive lineman like no other team. Armstead is aging, but is still a stud, Peat is injury prone which is a definite concern, but even inclusive of those concerns, I’ll take our five over any other five in the league,

No doubt about it.


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