It’s unfortunate and sad...

iceshack149 · 06-06-2021, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I lay that squarely on DA's shoulders.

I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

Rugby Saint II · 06-06-2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I've never been a fan of his scheme.

Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of. Remember all those lousy defenses Drew gave a Herculean effort to win and we kept missing out on the Lombardi? That still upsets me for Drew because I'm sure he doesn't fret over it as much as I do.

Rugby Saint II · 06-06-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

When Sean took his thumb print off the defenses we played better. I guess that he thought if he could beat a great defense then he could build one and that cost us dearly. It was great that Ireland seemed to get control of that situation and give the DC what they needed not what Sean wanted.

I love him but he needs to stay out of the defensive meetings and let the scouts and Ireland do the drafting. It's worked pretty well lately for both sides of the ball.

jeanpierre · 06-06-2021, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans.
Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years.

I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

K Major · 06-06-2021, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of.

No chit.

Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling.

I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end.

AsylumGuido · 06-06-2021, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No chit.

Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling.

I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end.

The past is the past. Time to look forward. A hard concept for some.

06-06-2021, 12:10 PM	#21
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,095 Blog Entries: 1	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I lay that squarely on DA's shoulders. I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans. Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years. I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense. jeanpierre, dizzle88 and K Major like this.

06-06-2021, 12:13 PM	#22
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by K Major I've never been a fan of his scheme. Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of. Remember all those lousy defenses Drew gave a Herculean effort to win and we kept missing out on the Lombardi? That still upsets me for Drew because I'm sure he doesn't fret over it as much as I do. Boston Saint likes this.

06-06-2021, 12:18 PM	#23
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,762	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by iceshack149 I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans. Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years. I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense. When Sean took his thumb print off the defenses we played better. I guess that he thought if he could beat a great defense then he could build one and that cost us dearly. It was great that Ireland seemed to get control of that situation and give the DC what they needed not what Sean wanted. I love him but he needs to stay out of the defensive meetings and let the scouts and Ireland do the drafting. It's worked pretty well lately for both sides of the ball.

06-06-2021, 01:39 PM	#24
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by iceshack149 I love Sean Payton but he and Loomis held on to some subpar coaches for far too long before Allen even returned to New Orleans. Ironically, in my opinion, the Saints offensively-minded Head Coach is the reason that the defense has struggled all these years. I'm sure most of us have a disdain for Gregg Williams but Payton was very hands-off when Williams was the Defensive Coordinator and we all got to see the Saints win a Superbowl. Maybe Sean should mind his meat and stick to offense.

06-06-2021, 03:53 PM	#25
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,064 Blog Entries: 3	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Everything has to work like clock work just for us to have a decent defense. If we're missing one player or god forbid two players then we have a deep hole to dig out of. No chit. Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling. I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: It’s unfortunate and sad... Originally Posted by K Major No chit. Too bad Sean Payton's ego can't co exist with another proven Heavyweight coach but it appears Dennis the Menace is about all you are going to get @ DC. Holding on to below avg coaches - >Vitt, McHahon, Johnson held this defense back for years .. all while Brees was balling. I will say, I'm glad Kris Richard is now on board. We need different ideas, strategies, dawgs on the back end. The past is the past. Time to look forward. A hard concept for some.