ESPN's Marcus Spears: Saints still a playoff team with Jameis Winston at QB

gosaints1 · 06-17-2021, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I guess I don’t follow the idea that Gronk provided nothing to very little. If that’s true then Saints TE Cook provided the same next to nothing:

37 rec 504yds 7 TD for Cook
45 rec 623 yds 7 TD for Gronk

It’s a fair point. Stats are similar, one team released the player with those stats though. That team definitely didn’t celebrate it or extend its contract. But, I understand your logic.

Interesting wrt Gronk, how he was used last year’s playoff run. The following stats are interesting:

Wildcard vs Wash: 1 target, 0 receptions.
Divisional vs Saints: 5 targets, 1 reception, 14 yards.
Conf vs Packers: 1 target, 1 reception, 29 yards.
SB vs Chiefs: 7 targets, 6 receptions, 2 TD’s.

TB played two more games than cook, and Gronk only had 5 TD’s in 19 games leading up to the SB. That’s nitpicking, a bit, over the stats. Gronk had a good SB, without a doubt. It lends credence to the belief that your superstars step up when the lights are the brightest. Very pedestrian year for any starting TE, much less Gronk, outside of his SB performance, iyam.

Everybody talks about Kelce and Kittle..., but I’m a fan of the kid out in Vegas, Darren Waller. Interesting read below wrt Gronk and Cook and how journalists/analysts attempt to “rank” them:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tig...021-nfl-season

Curious to see if Trautman can shed the “run blocking TE” label he’s been given. I feel he can.

Boston Saint · 06-17-2021, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

It’s a fair point. Stats are similar, one team released the player with those stats though. That team definitely didn’t celebrate it or extend its contract. But, I understand your logic.

Interesting wrt Gronk, how he was used last year’s playoff run. The following stats are interesting:

Wildcard vs Wash: 1 target, 0 receptions.
Divisional vs Saints: 5 targets, 1 reception, 14 yards.
Conf vs Packers: 1 target, 1 reception, 29 yards.
SB vs Chiefs: 7 targets, 6 receptions, 2 TD’s.

TB played two more games than cook, and Gronk only had 5 TD’s in 19 games leading up to the SB. That’s nitpicking, a bit, over the stats. Gronk had a good SB, without a doubt. It lends credence to the belief that your superstars step up when the lights are the brightest. Very pedestrian year for any starting TE, much less Gronk, outside of his SB performance, iyam.

Everybody talks about Kelce and Kittle..., but I’m a fan of the kid out in Vegas, Darren Waller. Interesting read below wrt Gronk and Cook and how journalists/analysts attempt to “rank” them:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tig...021-nfl-season

Curious to see if Trautman can shed the “run blocking TE” label he’s been given. I feel he can.

TE seems to be a “cerebral” position to me in that I’ll take a heady player over an athletic player any day. Guys like Gates, Gonzales, and Gronk (three G’s!) all were still effective in later years because they could still find the open spaces and make catches.

06-17-2021, 08:57 AM	#1
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: ESPN's Marcus Spears: Saints still a playoff team with Jameis Winston at QB Originally Posted by Boston Saint I guess I don’t follow the idea that Gronk provided nothing to very little. If that’s true then Saints TE Cook provided the same next to nothing: 37 rec 504yds 7 TD for Cook 45 rec 623 yds 7 TD for Gronk It’s a fair point. Stats are similar, one team released the player with those stats though. That team definitely didn’t celebrate it or extend its contract. But, I understand your logic. Interesting wrt Gronk, how he was used last year’s playoff run. The following stats are interesting: Wildcard vs Wash: 1 target, 0 receptions. Divisional vs Saints: 5 targets, 1 reception, 14 yards. Conf vs Packers: 1 target, 1 reception, 29 yards. SB vs Chiefs: 7 targets, 6 receptions, 2 TD’s. TB played two more games than cook, and Gronk only had 5 TD’s in 19 games leading up to the SB. That’s nitpicking, a bit, over the stats. Gronk had a good SB, without a doubt. It lends credence to the belief that your superstars step up when the lights are the brightest. Very pedestrian year for any starting TE, much less Gronk, outside of his SB performance, iyam. Everybody talks about Kelce and Kittle..., but I’m a fan of the kid out in Vegas, Darren Waller. Interesting read below wrt Gronk and Cook and how journalists/analysts attempt to “rank” them: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tig...021-nfl-season Curious to see if Trautman can shed the “run blocking TE” label he’s been given. I feel he can. SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.
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06-17-2021, 09:13 AM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ESPN's Marcus Spears: Saints still a playoff team with Jameis Winston at QB Originally Posted by gosaints1 It’s a fair point. Stats are similar, one team released the player with those stats though. That team definitely didn’t celebrate it or extend its contract. But, I understand your logic. Interesting wrt Gronk, how he was used last year’s playoff run. The following stats are interesting: Wildcard vs Wash: 1 target, 0 receptions. Divisional vs Saints: 5 targets, 1 reception, 14 yards. Conf vs Packers: 1 target, 1 reception, 29 yards. SB vs Chiefs: 7 targets, 6 receptions, 2 TD’s. TB played two more games than cook, and Gronk only had 5 TD’s in 19 games leading up to the SB. That’s nitpicking, a bit, over the stats. Gronk had a good SB, without a doubt. It lends credence to the belief that your superstars step up when the lights are the brightest. Very pedestrian year for any starting TE, much less Gronk, outside of his SB performance, iyam. Everybody talks about Kelce and Kittle..., but I’m a fan of the kid out in Vegas, Darren Waller. Interesting read below wrt Gronk and Cook and how journalists/analysts attempt to “rank” them: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tig...021-nfl-season Curious to see if Trautman can shed the “run blocking TE” label he’s been given. I feel he can. TE seems to be a “cerebral” position to me in that I’ll take a heady player over an athletic player any day. Guys like Gates, Gonzales, and Gronk (three G’s!) all were still effective in later years because they could still find the open spaces and make catches. SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.