Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I understand Kurt Warner's apprehension about both QB's. His film breakdown clarifies why most people are still afraid that our future QB is not actually on the team right now. Book is still a big question mark and doesn't figure into the equation.

I was beginning to feel more comfortable with Jameis but that's gone now. Thanks Kurt. :roll:

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I didn't see much difference between them. Hopefully another year of SP teaching will help one of them turn the corner.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Cue up the Ian Book tape. I think he could easily be the best west-coast style QB on our team after a little time with the playbook.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Jameis will remain the same. Hill will be player of the year.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Agreed, let him rollout on play action, keep the play alive like the tape shows he can or attack the seams on a 4 wide set.

I think he'd be interesting to watch with a little time to develop.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Winston threw for 5,000 yards last time he started...So if he stays the same and Hill is player of the year then Hill must end up accepting his jackknife roll and catch a lot of passes from Winston 😁

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Here is a good listen from Archie Manning on Jameis Winston ...

Fast forward to around 11:14 or so.

https://www.audacy.com/wwl/local-spo...ey-archie-says

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Kurt Warner is a douche that has never been able to hide the fact that he dislikes the Saints.

It wouldst mater if he proclaimed us the 2021 SB standouts, I don't have time for him.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Archie Manning
THOUGHTS ON JAMEIS WINSTON AS HE BATTLES TO BE NEXT SAINTS QB


"A lot of people ask me, and I sense some people in the community doubt Jameis. I don’t — I don’t. I think Jameis can do the job. I know Jameis is mature enough now to know the opportunity that he has here, and it’s a great opportunity. And I look for him to take advantage of it.”

When someone repeats themselves "I don't - I don't" it is often likely they are trying to convince themselves(meaning they're really NOT sure). Or it could be emphasis to be politically correct. After all he's got a grandson headed to nfl in the not too distant future. My take... BS.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Nobody can guarantee that any of the qbs drafted this year will be successful. Even Trevor Lawrence, who knows, he has not played a down in the nfl and might be the next big bust. Nobody can guarantee that this isnt the year brady or rodgers takes a big dive in performance due to age, as Peyton Manning went straight from one of his best seasons to his last. So nothing is guaranteed with any nfl qb. I would rather have maholmes than hill or winston, but would not be shocked if maholmes recent accumulation of hits starts to add up, or if his receivers get hurt and we find out having kelce and lots of deep threats was key to his production. Watson would have been the second best qb bet long term, but now he has legal issues. Probably neither hill or winston will become top franchise qbs because most dont, but EVERY qb can be doubted, some just have more potential to show or continue showing.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I agree with the posters who like the skill set that Book brings to the Saints at the QB position. He has the opportunity to learn under a great offensive minded coach who played QB himself...albeit not very well. Ya'll know the old saying that those who can't teach. Fortunately coach doesn't need a strong arm himself. He's a mad scientist that has great organizational skills to manage the team in the most efficient way. My hats off to the influence of Bill Parcells "The Tuna" on giving Payton the unique vision that he incorporated heavily into his management and player selection approach to running an elite organization.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I can’t wait to watch Winston lead this team on a playoff run this year.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I wonder how the national fake news media will treat the Saints if Winston steps up his game and beats his old team ?

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

They’ll act like they knew he could do it all along and give all the credit to Payton and the Saints organization for reforming him instead of highlighting how hard this kid has been working this off-season and the sacrifices he made to come sit behind Brees and then come back to New Orleans again when he could have got more on the open market from another team.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Circle back to just last season when the Saints embarassed Tampa/Brady on national tv. The "media" found tons of excuses for Golden Boy & very little praise of Brees.

I'd expect more of the same if Winston has similar success against his former team.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

When people repeat themselves like that they are usually trying to stress a point.

I. What is Repetition?

Quite simply, repetition is the repeating of a word or phrase. It is a common rhetorical device used to add emphasis and stress in writing and speech.

...

Repetition is an important literary device because it allows a writer or speaker to place emphasis on things they choose as significant.

Not sure where the heck you came up with the "politically correct" angle. :confused:

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Is that what happened? I thought I heard his only other offer was to sit behind never injured Dak (well, at that time) instead of a situation where Drew was obviously retiring soon leaving a void. Why wouldn't he want to stick around after Drew left when we have such a loaded team with no clear replacement nearby? It makes sense from his standpoint, I don't hate him for it but you make it sound so altruistic.
I'm not sure how hard he's worked and I'm not sure that anyone else does either. If you really watched the video you saw a lot of bad decisions being made (by Hill as well) that I really hope can be corrected, but it's not going to be by himself, it's going to be by coaching and study. Yes, obviously part of that depends on him, but if you think it's entirely on him I think that's silly.
I think both Hill and Winston need coaching up, that and Sean coming up with the right game plan for either one is what it's going to take to keep our playoff streak going and possibly do better.

I am equally disappointed seeing "he will!!" and "he can't!!" posts, isn't it reasonable to have some doubt given the evidence either way?

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Nick Underhill was probably one of the first to report JW having more "lucrative" offer(s) elsewhere.

I want to say Jacksonville, Chicago, WFT & San Diego were a few of those teams calling.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I'd never seen anything confirming any of that.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

and even if so, did he have a clear path to be a starter in any of those stops?

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

WFT & Jacksonville. Chicago would have been a bridge for JW while they groom their shiny new toy (1st rounder J Fields).

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020...contract-news/

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Do really you think Winston wanted to be a bridge QB somewhere else when potentially he could start long term with OUR talented team?

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

What do you think?

Obviously he wanted to be here, get coached up and learn the small details from a legend. JW is a smart guy & bet on himself. If he balls, he gets paid, if he flops the Saints move on. No biggie. It's big boy, production driven business.

Enjoy the 2021 season.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Dude, I wasn't arguing with you :)

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Roger that.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Washington would have been a great look for him. They have a really good defense and a lot of young weapons on offense. Plus they have a weak division and like to throw a nice bag at their players. I never said his choice was altruistic. His decision was mature and calculated. A good sign from somebody whose only issues have been maturity and decision making.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

5000 yards and got replaced - with good reason. Oh and the team won superbowl without him.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Haters gonna hate.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

9/10 times I think it’s BS when you say this Guido. But then there is this time.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Using Nick Underhill’s premiss “Theoretical Winston vs Theoretical Hill” Winston is the winner. I tend to agree but I also think it will come down to can this team operate with same level of efficiency not having Hill playing all the multiple roles he has over the last 3 years. Might not be Hill stated goal but he brings much more value to the team being everywhere man than being the starting QB and in the end it’s about the team.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

We’ll see soon enough. Press clippings have been kind to him so far, probably deservedly so. Hope the Saints strike twice with a Franchise QB.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

That's been my take since the potential "competition" came into being.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Me too. Well phrased point.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Originally I didn't even want Winston on my team. To me his history was scary both on and off the field. Eating the W is still sharp in my mind but I'm willing to give the young man a chance to prove me wrong and redeem himself to the NFL and viewers. He's apparently worked hard under Drew and Payton to fix his short comings. He got his eyes fixed and that could alleviate a lot of his bad decisions with a clearer view of the field. Studying film under Drew though has to be the best thing for him to get away from bad decision making because maybe now he actually understands the concepts learned from hours alongside a future HOF'er.

I'm not dismissing Hill. I love that guy and what he brings to the team with his infectious enthusiasm and his Swiss army knife role on the offense and special teams. I've seen him QB a few games and my feeling is that he has reached his ceiling as a QB but he is still a valuable chess piece for Payton.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

I’m excited about the prospect of a RB based offense and a stud possession guy like CGM coupled with QBs that can truly air the ball out. I hope/expect
to see more gadget/easy TDs like the one in the Tampa Playoff game. I’d have a WR run a fly or deep post EVERY PLAY and throw it to Calloway or Smith any time they were single covered. They’d have to guard against it and it would open up TE routes all over.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Whether it's Taysom or Jameis under center, being in sync with Alvin Kamara will be critical in this offense.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

This is true. Sean Payton will continue his offensive scheme based upon defensive looks. Kamara is the weapon that can be used in both versions of the play options. That said, Trautman can fit a complimentary role. He has the ability to block on the run and can be a total mismatch on the pass option.

Re: Hill vs Winston | The battle for QB1 – New Orleans Saints Offense Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
 

Most definitely a solid option for either QB to have.

Offensively, still a lot of options.