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AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I have a theory about Guidos take on T. rex, but I’d have to pull out
my ten foot pole to touch my psychology books to express it.

Pull out that pole. Anyone that knows football knows that individual success on a defensive line is based upon the effectiveness of the entire line as a unit.

New Orleans had 45 sacks as a team last year. That was 8th in the NFL. Hendrickson's Bengals were dead last in the league with only 17 sacks. They really didn't add a great deal other than Hendrickson and DT's Larry Ogunjobi and DJ Reader.

Boston Saint · 08-19-2021, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Pull out that pole. Anyone that knows football knows that individual success on a defensive line is based upon the effectiveness of the entire line as a unit.

New Orleans had 45 sacks as a team last year. That was 8th in the NFL. Hendrickson's Bengals were dead last in the league with only 17 sacks. They really didn't add a great deal other than Hendrickson and DT's Larry Ogunjobi and DJ Reader.

I agree that having multiple good D linemen is better than having one great and bunch of Average if that’s what you mean.

AsylumGuido · 08-19-2021, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I agree that having multiple good D linemen is better than having one great and bunch of Average if that’s what you mean.

That's basically what I'm saying. Even more so when you only have one fairly good one and the rest average.

As I pointed out, the Saints had 45 team sacks last season. Will they miss Hendrickson? If they repeat with 45 or more team sacks again this season, then no. I expect them to do just that.

On the other hand, Cincy's team leader in sacks last season, Carl Lawson, had 5.5 sacks and he is no longer with the team. No one else had more than two sacks. Hendrickson is not in a situation to succeed in amassing anywhere near as many sacks this coming season.

Boston Saint · 08-19-2021, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's basically what I'm saying. Even more so when you only have one fairly good one and the rest average.

As I pointed out, the Saints had 45 team sacks last season. Will they miss Hendrickson? If they repeat with 45 or more team sacks again this season, then no. I expect them to do just that.

On the other hand, Cincy's team leader in sacks last season, Carl Lawson, had 5.5 sacks and he is no longer with the team. No one else had more than two sacks. Hendrickson is not in a situation to succeed in amassing anywhere near as many sacks this coming season.

If you look at Individual positions, then units, you are oversimplifying things. Having great DBs can help an average line get more sacks by forcing a QB to hold the ball longer. Likewise, having great LBs can add to pressure on the QB as well. Your comparison of Cincy and the Saints in sacks from last year only tells me that the Saints had better all defensive performance than Cincy did. That was obviously aided by the Saints having a better offense. Time will obviously be the judge, and I’m not predicting Rex gets the same sack total, but your analysis is an oversimplification.

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jeanpierre · 08-23-2021, 08:42 AM

jeanpierre · 08-23-2021, 08:44 AM

Ryan Ramczyk is the best offensive tackle in the league and doesn't make the list?

This list can't considered to have any credibility...

AsylumGuido · 08-23-2021, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ryan Ramczyk is the best offensive tackle in the league and doesn't make the list?

This list can't considered to have any credibility...

It's a popularity vote by players in the league. It has no credibility beyond Miss Congeniality.

jeanpierre · 08-23-2021, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's a popularity vote by players in the league. It has no credibility beyond Miss Congeniality.

Then they should call it the #NFLMissCongenialityContest

AsylumGuido · 08-23-2021, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Then they should call it the #NFLMissCongenialityContest

That they should.

08-19-2021, 11:30 AM	#2
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,895	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Pull out that pole. Anyone that knows football knows that individual success on a defensive line is based upon the effectiveness of the entire line as a unit. New Orleans had 45 sacks as a team last year. That was 8th in the NFL. Hendrickson's Bengals were dead last in the league with only 17 sacks. They really didn't add a great deal other than Hendrickson and DT's Larry Ogunjobi and DJ Reader. I agree that having multiple good D linemen is better than having one great and bunch of Average if that’s what you mean. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-19-2021, 12:12 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by Boston Saint I agree that having multiple good D linemen is better than having one great and bunch of Average if that’s what you mean. That's basically what I'm saying. Even more so when you only have one fairly good one and the rest average. As I pointed out, the Saints had 45 team sacks last season. Will they miss Hendrickson? If they repeat with 45 or more team sacks again this season, then no. I expect them to do just that. On the other hand, Cincy's team leader in sacks last season, Carl Lawson, had 5.5 sacks and he is no longer with the team. No one else had more than two sacks. Hendrickson is not in a situation to succeed in amassing anywhere near as many sacks this coming season.
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08-19-2021, 12:24 PM	#4
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,895	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's basically what I'm saying. Even more so when you only have one fairly good one and the rest average. As I pointed out, the Saints had 45 team sacks last season. Will they miss Hendrickson? If they repeat with 45 or more team sacks again this season, then no. I expect them to do just that. On the other hand, Cincy's team leader in sacks last season, Carl Lawson, had 5.5 sacks and he is no longer with the team. No one else had more than two sacks. Hendrickson is not in a situation to succeed in amassing anywhere near as many sacks this coming season. If you look at Individual positions, then units, you are oversimplifying things. Having great DBs can help an average line get more sacks by forcing a QB to hold the ball longer. Likewise, having great LBs can add to pressure on the QB as well. Your comparison of Cincy and the Saints in sacks from last year only tells me that the Saints had better all defensive performance than Cincy did. That was obviously aided by the Saints having a better offense. Time will obviously be the judge, and I’m not predicting Rex gets the same sack total, but your analysis is an oversimplification.
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08-23-2021, 08:42 AM	#6
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08-23-2021, 08:44 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Ryan Ramczyk is the best offensive tackle in the league and doesn't make the list? This list can't considered to have any credibility... SaintFanInATLHELL, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

08-19-2021, 11:24 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by Boston Saint I have a theory about Guidos take on T. rex, but I’d have to pull out my ten foot pole to touch my psychology books to express it. Pull out that pole. Anyone that knows football knows that individual success on a defensive line is based upon the effectiveness of the entire line as a unit. New Orleans had 45 sacks as a team last year. That was 8th in the NFL. Hendrickson's Bengals were dead last in the league with only 17 sacks. They really didn't add a great deal other than Hendrickson and DT's Larry Ogunjobi and DJ Reader.

08-23-2021, 08:50 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ryan Ramczyk is the best offensive tackle in the league and doesn't make the list? This list can't considered to have any credibility... It's a popularity vote by players in the league. It has no credibility beyond Miss Congeniality.

08-23-2021, 10:02 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's a popularity vote by players in the league. It has no credibility beyond Miss Congeniality. Then they should call it the #NFLMissCongenialityContest

08-23-2021, 10:11 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,474	Re: New Orleans Saints \| NFL Top 100 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Then they should call it the #NFLMissCongenialityContest That they should.

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