USA Today/SaintsWire | Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal

AsylumGuido · 08-18-2021, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We'll never know, will we?

Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap.

Without Coach SP we wouldn't have been in the position to begin with.

Right?

jeanpierre · 08-18-2021, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody.
I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either.

Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed...

Rell&Gold · 08-20-2021, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We'll never know, will we?

Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap.

Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

Rell&Gold · 08-20-2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed...

We def would have beat the Eagles don't believe the hype. And 2011 don't get me started that SB would have been better than 2009 after that Safnran game. Marcus Williams is a Blue Chip player and their aren't replacements just walking around that can do what he does. Someone made of joke of this missed tackles what have you don for me lately and he didn't miss many last year. His style of play is way more valuable than Adam's we had Roman Harper laying his role NEITHER can cover. I rather go with the cover safety than the limited Blitzer if you ask me Adam's got overpaid

SmashMouth · 08-20-2021, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

We were trying to run out the clock. A coach can tell his team to commit a certain penalty to trigger the clock to run down. If SP knew the rulebook like BB, we win both games, Minihaha miracle AND the PI no call Lambs game. Those plays then never would have made history since they wouldn't have existed. BB used that in a game and won a game for NE, even though they were ahead by a lot.

Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock

Comments in the article are priceless.

In both those games, we were merely trying to run off less than 30 seconds which we could have easily done a little earlier when we had to punt.

Now as far as the Whiners' game, that's just plain stupidity in not covering Vernon Davis better. So that's THREE games that should have earned us SB berths. How many of those would we have won? We've been speculating since. Most argue that we were the juggernaut in those three years. So who knows. But I reckon the Saints would have won at least one more Tiffany.

Now the year SP was suspended, that was plain wrong of Herr Kommissar Goodell. It's well documented every team did, and many continue to do, the very same incentivisations to win games. Now that we have gambling allowed, we'll see unfold in all likelihood many permutations of this throughout the league. Those that think games are fixed will have plenty more fodder with which to banter this subject.

K Major · 08-20-2021, 08:19 AM

I like Marcus but he’s not getting Jamal Adams type money.

jeanpierre · 08-20-2021, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I like Marcus but he’s not getting Jamal Adams type money.

Well, it set the scale, and we need to remember our history of what having a good safety does and how a bail-out signing like Jairus Byrd can hamstring a team...

Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams should be our priorities in the secondary; get Jenkins contract off the books and put Gardner in a position to make even more plays...

K Major · 08-20-2021, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, it set the scale, and we need to remember our history of what having a good safety does and how a bail-out signing like Jairus Byrd can hamstring a team...

Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams should be our priorities in the secondary; get Jenkins contract off the books and put Gardner in a position to make even more plays...

Marcus needs to ball (Micah Fitzpatrick level) out in 2021 ... then he and his agent can make a case to ask for top dollar. Even though they play different positions, Jamal is an All Pro & has made immediate impression on the back end.

Tag #2 wouldn't surprise me either.

jeanpierre · 08-20-2021, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Marcus needs to ball (Micah Fitzpatrick level) out in 2021 ... then he and his agent can make a case to ask for top dollar. Even though they play different positions, Jamal is an All Pro & has made immediate impression on the back end.

Tag #2 wouldn't surprise me either.

If Marcus Williams had been playing for the NYJ, PHI or another team in a Top 10 market, he'd done been named an All-Pro; am 100% convinced of it...

Am with you that PFF is flawed, not absolute; watching the film, Marcus is almost always in position, keeping that lid over the top, adding pressure on the passer...

papz · 08-20-2021, 10:13 AM

If you told me we could sign Marcus Williams for the money Jamal Adams just signed for, I would say we got a steal. I'm surprised Adams didn't go for more.

08-18-2021, 09:41 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by SmashMouth We'll never know, will we? Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap. Without Coach SP we wouldn't have been in the position to begin with. Right?

08-18-2021, 10:54 PM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by The Dude Get over it, nobody was gonna beat the Eagles that year. Nobody. I’m not convinced we would have beaten NY in 2011 either. Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed... jnormand, SmashMouth and Rell&Gold like this.

08-20-2021, 07:38 AM	#13
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by SmashMouth We'll never know, will we? Why didn't Coach SP know the rulebook like BB with regards to penalties at the end of the game? Ultimately, it's in his lap. Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches

08-20-2021, 07:42 AM	#14
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,874	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jeanpierre Totally disagree, we had the weapons to win it all; we were soft on defense and got exposed... We def would have beat the Eagles don't believe the hype. And 2011 don't get me started that SB would have been better than 2009 after that Safnran game. Marcus Williams is a Blue Chip player and their aren't replacements just walking around that can do what he does. Someone made of joke of this missed tackles what have you don for me lately and he didn't miss many last year. His style of play is way more valuable than Adam's we had Roman Harper laying his role NEITHER can cover. I rather go with the cover safety than the limited Blitzer if you ask me Adam's got overpaid SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,073 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Penalty is a penalty shouldn't matter when it happens. And it wasn't that he didn't know the rule Refs are allowed to operate in a different facet than players/coaches We were trying to run out the clock. A coach can tell his team to commit a certain penalty to trigger the clock to run down. If SP knew the rulebook like BB, we win both games, Minihaha miracle AND the PI no call Lambs game. Those plays then never would have made history since they wouldn't have existed. BB used that in a game and won a game for NE, even though they were ahead by a lot. Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock Comments in the article are priceless. In both those games, we were merely trying to run off less than 30 seconds which we could have easily done a little earlier when we had to punt. Now as far as the Whiners' game, that's just plain stupidity in not covering Vernon Davis better. So that's THREE games that should have earned us SB berths. How many of those would we have won? We've been speculating since. Most argue that we were the juggernaut in those three years. So who knows. But I reckon the Saints would have won at least one more Tiffany. Now the year SP was suspended, that was plain wrong of Herr Kommissar Goodell. It's well documented every team did, and many continue to do, the very same incentivisations to win games. Now that we have gambling allowed, we'll see unfold in all likelihood many permutations of this throughout the league. Those that think games are fixed will have plenty more fodder with which to banter this subject. jeanpierre and Rell&Gold like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,063 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal I like Marcus but he’s not getting Jamal Adams type money. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by K Major I like Marcus but he’s not getting Jamal Adams type money. Well, it set the scale, and we need to remember our history of what having a good safety does and how a bail-out signing like Jairus Byrd can hamstring a team... Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams should be our priorities in the secondary; get Jenkins contract off the books and put Gardner in a position to make even more plays... jnormand, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,063 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, it set the scale, and we need to remember our history of what having a good safety does and how a bail-out signing like Jairus Byrd can hamstring a team... Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams should be our priorities in the secondary; get Jenkins contract off the books and put Gardner in a position to make even more plays... Marcus needs to ball (Micah Fitzpatrick level) out in 2021 ... then he and his agent can make a case to ask for top dollar. Even though they play different positions, Jamal is an All Pro & has made immediate impression on the back end. Tag #2 wouldn't surprise me either. SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal Originally Posted by K Major Marcus needs to ball (Micah Fitzpatrick level) out in 2021 ... then he and his agent can make a case to ask for top dollar. Even though they play different positions, Jamal is an All Pro & has made immediate impression on the back end. Tag #2 wouldn't surprise me either. If Marcus Williams had been playing for the NYJ, PHI or another team in a Top 10 market, he'd done been named an All-Pro; am 100% convinced of it... Am with you that PFF is flawed, not absolute; watching the film, Marcus is almost always in position, keeping that lid over the top, adding pressure on the passer... SmashMouth, Rell&Gold, K Major and 1 others like this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,698	Re: USA Today/SaintsWire \| Marcus Williams will benefit from Jamal Adams’ blockbuster Seahawks deal If you told me we could sign Marcus Williams for the money Jamal Adams just signed for, I would say we got a steal. I'm surprised Adams didn't go for more. jeanpierre likes this.