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I agree, as long as you are willing to forfeit your rights to continuing season ticket holdings.

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There you go! I had a feeling they'd not cave. You don't give up something like Saints tickets.

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Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

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Do you not realize that the vaccines give better protection and allows less severe symptoms than simply carrying the antibodies from a previous infection? Also, you should hopefully be aware that reinfection from a variant like Delta is absolutely possible, and thus the testing requirement if the vaccine is being rejected by the patron.

Requiring a negative test doesn't invade upon anyone's rights that choose not to be vaccinated for whatever reason.

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Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.
See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.

Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

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No, I don't know that vaccines provide greater immunity than naturally acquired immunity and neither do you.

Obviously it's a lot easier for the franchise to verify vaccination that it is previous exposure. I am able to see the issue from their standpoint.

For some reason you are not willing to view the issue from the viewpoint of the fans.

If someone has had Covid it is completely understandable that they would not want to receive the vaccine, especially if they recently had Covid. In fact, unless they have changed their minds again, the CDC guidance says people who have Covid should not have the vaccine until at least 90 days after that infection.

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I am absolutely viewing this from the viewpoint of the fans. I am both one of those fans AND a season ticket holder and I am thrilled that the proof of vaccination or a negative test is required. Out of 70,000 fans only 13 called in to get a refund on their tickets. That means most all of the rest really don't have a huge problem with it.

As for someone that has had COVID that didn't want to get the vaccine, that's fine, but they should be willing to present a negative test result, right? If not there is a problem. If not they shouldn't be allowed in.

As for vaccines providing a greater protection than the antibodies from a previous case of COVID, the data set is huge with over 175 million Americans fully vaccinated. It is quite easy to compare the breakthrough cases of vaccinated individuals with the reinfections of persons that had previously had COVID. Do a quick search.

Here's one from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published in May 28, 2021.

Why COVID-19 Vaccines Offer Better Protection Than Infection

There's plenty more. It is an accepted fact. At least accepted by those without that haven't been brainwashed by a radical right.

And this is coming from a lifetime Republican that voted for Trump twice. The same Trump that urged his own constituency to get the vaccine. For me this has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but everything to do with medical knowledge and science.

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Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context.

I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa.

What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished.


I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

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Why should these people be placed in front of the line for next year's season tickets? They could have easily attended every game. They were given the opportunity with a simple negative test result, but demanded a refund instead. That shouldn't penalize those of us that have waited 15 years for the opportunity to get a season ticket. It's their choice and a fair choice - keep your tickets and sell them if you refuse to have a test, or give them up trying to make some sort of political statement. In the latter case they should have to go to the back of the line.