Originally Posted by Flipx99 (Post 925740)

I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 925732)

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.


Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 925743)

There is no way an infected average single person or family can be without food and water for the supposed quarantine period they are wanting. They have no choice but to get out ( grocery store/ pharmacy) to survive. How many people got the flu last year(Killed just as many if not more people over God knows how many years without a cure) did any of you hear about?Seemed like the flu disappeared and covid took over. Sickest I ever got was after getting a flu shot. Also a normal person don't really want anything shoved up there nose that deep to where it hits their brain so to speak and to have it done on multiple occasions don't seem to appealing. The mask are a total joke unless they are N-95 or better and breathing in them all the time restrict airflow to the lungs( not a normal function) and as far as kids still developing their lung function in the long run will cause breathing problems. I've had the crap( no smell, no taste for 4 days with no other symtoms) it affects a lot of people different. The way the CDC, government, private buisnesses are going about this so called pandimic the wrong way, it should be let to run it's course if they really want HERD immunity.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 925746)

Masks are not for your protection. The masks are to keep infected people from spreading the virus.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 925742)

I think he is referring to people that are protesting the requirement to present a negative test result. That does lead one to surmise that they feel it is their right to attend if infected. And that right would include infecting others. I seriously doubt many people would feel this way, but I would also be expecting that some would, either consciously or not. I have met some that have said as much that have refused to do anything to protect themselves and others stating the government isn't going to force them to do anything and the COVID is a lie and that people aren't really getting sick and dying. Believe me, I keep my social distance from those.

:D

Originally Posted by Flipx99 (Post 925757)

I actually know someone who has been in the hospital for two weeks because she refused treatment for so long based on her belief that Covid is a hoax. It's hard to believe that someone can actually believe that, but obviously it was a sincerely held belief.

I am empathetic toward such people. If our leadership and the media would be more responsible with their messaging people would be more likely to believe them.

It was just what, a week ago, that Biden came out and definitively said that if you have been vaccinated that you will not get Covid?

That's simply not true. Why not just tell the truth - you will be less likely to be infected if exposed, but there will be some vaccinated people who are infected. If you do get infected after being vaccinated, you are less likely to become seriously ill.

Of course, that idiot will lie when the truth would be better. It is just what he is always done.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 925745)

Do you believe the purpose of wearing a mask is to protect yourself or others from you in case you are unknowingly infected?

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 925761)

The designer mask, do absolutly nothing and really are a joke. A certified rated mask N-95 or better, yes. I wear N-95's, half face, full face, oxygen supplied quite regularly and with the proper filters on them they do a he!! of a job protecting your lungs from harmful elements. But ( there is always a but in there) without being fit test( and pulmonary tested) for the right size means absolutely nothing. No true seal means leaks. (Oh, and must be clean shaven to get the seal. )I don't believe the general public is going through all this and are spreading it with there PRETTY LITTLE DESIGNER MASK. I do actually like the design on some of them though, cool to look at but goes no farther than that.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 925762)

You totally missed the point of the question, but your reply gave me the answer. You are clearly under the impression that the purpose of masks are to protect the wearer.

That is totally wrong. Mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask. I repeat ... mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask.

The primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHERS. Any mask, no matter how simple, is very effective at capturing the emissions from the wearer that carry the virus.

Everything you posted refers to protection, not to preventing the spread. You have either totally missed the point or are ignoring the point. You have just repeated oft mention arguments that have no pertinence to the mask purpose whatsoever.