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Even if you assume that your typical mask captures some of the particles, I am not at all sure that there is a net health benefit to them.

People fidget with those nasty things all the time, and then reach out and touch something that someone else will touch in a few moments.

I feel pretty confident kids should not be wearing them all the time, and especially n ki t while participating in outdoor play and sports. That's idiotic.

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Once again you do not get the concept. You are talking protection of wearer.

:rolleyes:

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Once again, it has nothing to do with the health effect to the wearer. Wearing a mask, any mask, reduces greatly the amount of expectorants of the wearer. It is to protect others, not the person wearing the mask.

And of course you don't wear them while playing sports or such. That is just silly and not proposed. You are grasping for straws. I have a feeling you understand but are hesitant to agree. That's cool.

Be safe, Flipx, but more importantly be safe to others!

Who Dat! I'll see y'all in the Superdome this season!

20-0 Baby!

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You asked the question as to why someone with natural immunity should subject themselves to ten or more tests. You then tried to connect folks who maybe should not be vaccinated to having a Q-tip shoved up their nose. To me that's trying to conflate vaccination and testing.

Everyone should be tested. Full stop. Period. Everyone can be a carrier. Anyone who doesn't want to be tested in is fact promoting the idea that they have the right to infect others because their status is unknown.

I'm not getting into the vaccine issue at all. If someone wants to go to the game, go get tested. If it's negative, then enjoy the game.

And no, if someone doesn't want to get tested, they should not be rewarded by cutting into the line for next year. That time is over. It is clear that everyone is going to roll with the pandemic, and that anyone who refuses to try to stem it should suffer the consequences of that decision.

The reason we're back to 160,000 cases a day in the US is because there are all these people, almost all unvaccinated, that won't get tested, won't get a vaccine, and won't wear a mask. We can float down the river with all the denial.

That's my opinion.

SFIAH

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So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

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I take it you have not seen the video of the high school track athlete who passed out from lack of oxygen as she crossed the finish line. Yeah, it was in some nutty town in Wshongton state, but it did happen.

My point was that if someone is touching their nasty mask and then touching something like a kiosk then I think the net effect is to be a greater danger.

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Yes. exactly. Thinking otherwise is the reason we're in this predicament that we are in. Get a BinaxNow rapid test. Takes 15 minutes. No lab required. It doesn't have perfect accuracy, but it'll let most folks who are in fact infected know that they are infected.

And personally I would extend this to every venue. Every game. Every concert.

The testing isn't unnecessary. The problem we have right now is that folks who are sick don't know that they are sick. They think they are fine.

We should have started surveillance testing over a year ago. It would have gotten us back to normal much faster as folks who test negative could get on with their day while those who are infected can quarantine.

People catch colds and flus all the time. Covid has an infection rate that's about double the rate of the common cold. It then puts people in the hospital and then into the ground.

The point is that widespread testing is needed because people who are infected yet show no symptoms can spread the infection. Since they have no symptoms, they won't generally get tested. And then the cycle of spreading the infection continues.

Of course another track to curtail this is vaccination. But as BostonSaint has pointed out several times in the last month or so, I'm not touching that subject with a 10 foot pole.

SFIAH

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I just got done shooting movie as an extra where everyone got tested, very frequently. It didn't stop me from contracting it from someone on set who was supposedly not positive. They had/have more stringent protocols than are being implemented at the Superdome.

Stuff happens and I drew the short straw. I survived with the regeneron infusion.

Many will be infected at the Superdome. We'll see just how many.

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I understand that it isn't perfect. Nothing is perfect. The most perfect situation would have been if the virus had never mutated to infect humans. But we are where we are.

Just think how many more folks would have been infected if testing wasn't done.

I'm not sure how we're going to get out of this cycle of:

Here is something that will help.

But it isn't perfect. So, what's the point in doing it?

That's been with masks. And vaccines. And testing. And shutdowns.

The only suggestion I hear in counter is let it run it's course, or try to treat it after contraction. The death rate of Covid unchecked is between 300-400 deaths per 100,000 in the population. Do 1,000,000+ people in the country have to die for us to get over this?

SFIAH

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Maybe... We have a better idea on how to treat it now as opposed to when Foreverfan had double pneumonia and got it. Regeneron works great. I wonder what are the flu and common cold stats these days ...