Why should someone who has recovered from Covid and therefore has natural immunity subject himself to ten or more tests?

And what about people who, after consultation with their physicians, decided that they should not be vaccinated for health reasons? Women who are pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant? Children?

Yeah, they could go have a qtip rammed up their noses even though medical guidelines (as opposed to that low IQ NOLQ mayor) indicate that they should not be tested. But, we shouldn't show contempt for them. (This is the part where you claim you were not showing contempt when you said you had no pity for them).

Because a negative test is the only way to document that natural immunity is working. Honestly, everyone should have to present a recent negative test regardless of their vaccine status as unvaccinated folks who have never had Covid, unvaccinated folks who have had Covid, and vaccinated folks who have or have not ever had Covid all have the ability, though not to the same degree, to be infected and all have the ability to transmit that infection, again though not all to the same degree. The smart play is to test everyone.

See above. Everyone should be tested when gathering in a space where 70,000 people are going to be.


Confused. Seems like you are trying to replace testing with vaccination. While certainly there are groups of folks who should not, or cannot, be vaccinated, that has absolutely nothing to do with testing. The public health objective should be that infectious people should not be in large crowds. They should be isolated and sent home. But to do that, you have to test them.

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that some infectious people think that they should have the right to infect other people. Or that it's some infringement to have to demonstrate that someone isn't currently infectious.

SFIAH

Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context.

I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa.

What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished.


I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

I think he is referring to people that are protesting the requirement to present a negative test result. That does lead one to surmise that they feel it is their right to attend if infected. And that right would include infecting others. I seriously doubt many people would feel this way, but I would also be expecting that some would, either consciously or not. I have met some that have said as much that have refused to do anything to protect themselves and others stating the government isn't going to force them to do anything and the COVID is a lie and that people aren't really getting sick and dying. Believe me, I keep my social distance from those.

I actually know someone who has been in the hospital for two weeks because she refused treatment for so long based on her belief that Covid is a hoax. It's hard to believe that someone can actually believe that, but obviously it was a sincerely held belief.

I am empathetic toward such people. If our leadership and the media would be more responsible with their messaging people would be more likely to believe them.

It was just what, a week ago, that Biden came out and definitively said that if you have been vaccinated that you will not get Covid?

That's simply not true. Why not just tell the truth - you will be less likely to be infected if exposed, but there will be some vaccinated people who are infected. If you do get infected after being vaccinated, you are less likely to become seriously ill.

Of course, that idiot will lie when the truth would be better. It is just what he is always done.

Yes, you have misinterpreted my post, which needs to be read in context.

I'm not suggesting that vaccinations should replace testing or vice versa.

What I am stating is my opinion: that there are people who have sound reasons for not receiving these particular vaccines. I am glad that the franchise agreed to refund their money, and I would like for the team to go a step further and place them at the front of the line for next year's season tickets. It would be an act of good will and a recognition that just because the franchises interest and the fan's interest do not align on this issue that the fan should somehow be punished.


I have no idea where you comment about infected people believing they should have the right to infect other people came from, no on has suggested that.

You asked the question as to why someone with natural immunity should subject themselves to ten or more tests. You then tried to connect folks who maybe should not be vaccinated to having a Q-tip shoved up their nose. To me that's trying to conflate vaccination and testing.

Everyone should be tested. Full stop. Period. Everyone can be a carrier. Anyone who doesn't want to be tested in is fact promoting the idea that they have the right to infect others because their status is unknown.

I'm not getting into the vaccine issue at all. If someone wants to go to the game, go get tested. If it's negative, then enjoy the game.

And no, if someone doesn't want to get tested, they should not be rewarded by cutting into the line for next year. That time is over. It is clear that everyone is going to roll with the pandemic, and that anyone who refuses to try to stem it should suffer the consequences of that decision.

The reason we're back to 160,000 cases a day in the US is because there are all these people, almost all unvaccinated, that won't get tested, won't get a vaccine, and won't wear a mask. We can float down the river with all the denial.

That's my opinion.

SFIAH

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.

So, you think it is reasonable to have roughly 80k vaccinated people get tested before every game without respect to known exposure or whether they have any symptoms? I suppose there is no reason why you would not extend this to every NFL, college, high school, jr high game.

That's a lot of unnecessary testing and a huge waste of resources. My opinion is that your plan would only beg down the system, make it more difficult for people who actually need to be tested to do so and hence wind up furthering the spread of the Wuhan virus.