Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots

TheOak · 09-28-2021, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I'm not sure I understand this. There were no turnovers in two of our 3 games by the QB. Late in the game last week, when no one was getting open, Winston wasn't getting a decent pocket, and when there was nothing to lose he threw some wild throws and got picks. I've actually been impressed by the restraint JW has showed. I was talking with a Bucs fan while watching the game yesterday that each time he took a sack versus throwing a wild throw that would probably have been a pick my heart grew little (like the Grinch).

This team is built to win by Defense and running game. JW just needs to pass when he HAS to. So far he pretty much has done so. With Thomas and Smith come back (or trade for random WR) the passing game will be better but I don't expect the overall philosophy will change

You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball.

Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up.

If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security?

Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind.

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If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/

AsylumGuido · 09-28-2021, 08:04 AM

Just sayin' ...

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SmashMouth · 09-28-2021, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just sayin' ...

https://twitter.com/amysrich/status/1442531292013338624

Mahomes has more INTs than Winston?

jnormand · 09-28-2021, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Mahomes has more INTs than Winston?

Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th.

Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way.

K Major · 09-28-2021, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th.

Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way.

So what do we do J? Insert Trevor S? Taysom H or the rookie Ian Book

?

I just don't see this offense or ANY QB on this roster doing anything remotely better than JW without weapons at WR/TE. Is Winston holding on to the ball a second too long? Maybe but I don't see any guys downfield creating any separation whatsoever. Route runners - see Chiefs, Rams, or Cowboys.

Collectively, this entire offensive line needs to perform better as well. It ain't all on Jameis.

#9 has truly spoiled us as fans.

jnormand · 09-28-2021, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

So what do we do J? Insert Trevor S? Taysom H or the rookie Ian Book ?

I just don't see this offense or ANY QB on this roster doing anything remotely better than JW without weapons at WR/TE. Is Winston holding on to the ball a second too long? Maybe but I don't see any guys downfield creating any separation whatsoever. Route runners - see Chiefs, Rams, or Cowboys.

Collectively, this entire offensive line needs to perform better as well. It ain't all on Jameis.

#9 has truly spoiled us as fans.

Agreed K! I'm not saying that it's all on him man. I was just saying that him having less Ints than Mahomes doesn't resonate as some kind of awesome stat to me when he doesn't throw the ball much and doesn't do anything really spectacular. i was replying to Smashy's post. That's all. And nah, idk if we have a better QB on the roster. Certainly not Trevor!

Yes Brees spoiled us. Lol. Everyone is gonna suck compared to him. Lol. There's no way around that.

iceshack149 · 09-28-2021, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th.

Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way.

I would agree that Winston has been a bit unremarkable outside of that nice TD pass to the wee-man in week one but he is avoiding the turnovers as well. It seems like he's playing a bit scared right now but I'm not ready to see any of the saints backups in the QB role yet.

SaintGnome · 09-28-2021, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball.

Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up.

If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security?

Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind.
https://youtu.be/jaUkhgHe67c

If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL
https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/

Clearly you didn't read my post or if you didn't understand it. He only had INT's in one game, and then only when it was already pretty hopeless. Our offense, particularly our OL was out of sync that game. As for the 'hand of god' play it was meant to be a throw away, meaning he threw it high away and was surprised it was caught, it didn't look to me like the DB had any chance to make the INT. I'm not reading stats, I'm watching games. Ironically your statement that our QBs "lack of focus on ball security" only makes sense if you focus on stats versus actually watching the games and realizing the game situations.

09-28-2021, 08:04 AM	#2
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,064 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just sayin' ... https://twitter.com/amysrich/status/1442531292013338624 Mahomes has more INTs than Winston? neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-28-2021, 09:30 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,785	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by SmashMouth Mahomes has more INTs than Winston? Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th. Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way. SmashMouth and Thirty3 like this.

09-28-2021, 09:49 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,853 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jnormand Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th. Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way. So what do we do J? Insert Trevor S? Taysom H or the rookie Ian Book ? I just don't see this offense or ANY QB on this roster doing anything remotely better than JW without weapons at WR/TE. Is Winston holding on to the ball a second too long? Maybe but I don't see any guys downfield creating any separation whatsoever. Route runners - see Chiefs, Rams, or Cowboys. Collectively, this entire offensive line needs to perform better as well. It ain't all on Jameis. #9 has truly spoiled us as fans. iceshack149, jnormand, AsylumGuido and 4 others like this.

09-28-2021, 11:05 AM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,785	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by K Major So what do we do J? Insert Trevor S? Taysom H or the rookie Ian Book ? I just don't see this offense or ANY QB on this roster doing anything remotely better than JW without weapons at WR/TE. Is Winston holding on to the ball a second too long? Maybe but I don't see any guys downfield creating any separation whatsoever. Route runners - see Chiefs, Rams, or Cowboys. Collectively, this entire offensive line needs to perform better as well. It ain't all on Jameis. #9 has truly spoiled us as fans. Agreed K! I'm not saying that it's all on him man. I was just saying that him having less Ints than Mahomes doesn't resonate as some kind of awesome stat to me when he doesn't throw the ball much and doesn't do anything really spectacular. i was replying to Smashy's post. That's all. And nah, idk if we have a better QB on the roster. Certainly not Trevor! Yes Brees spoiled us. Lol. Everyone is gonna suck compared to him. Lol. There's no way around that. SmashMouth and K Major like this.

09-28-2021, 10:28 AM	#7
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,443 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by jnormand Ha!!! Cmon man! Winston has only attempted 63 passes in 3 games. He only has 387 yards. Good enough for 30th in the NFL in both categories. Btw, he's only been completing 60% of his passes. Also good for 30th. Winston has done nothing impressive. I'm not buying into him yet. No way. I would agree that Winston has been a bit unremarkable outside of that nice TD pass to the wee-man in week one but he is avoiding the turnovers as well. It seems like he's playing a bit scared right now but I'm not ready to see any of the saints backups in the QB role yet.

09-28-2021, 08:12 AM	#8
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win over the Patriots Originally Posted by TheOak You don’t see it because you are looking at stats by your response, but then you prove my point with him ‘making wild throws causing picks’ instead of taking the sack and securing the ball. Go back through my posts you’ll fine more than one when I defended Winstons 30 interceptions with the Bucs because advanced stats showed that most were tipped balls and I am generally of the mind that if a receiver can tip it they can catch it. But those were just numbers without video showing him under duress forcing passes, if Drew had thrown the pass in the below video on Sunday some of the very same people that clicked like on your reply would have said he was forcing it with a ‘take what they give you’ follow up. If you are built to win by defense and run then you are also built for ball security no? If you aren’t built for an air game then wouldn’t that speak to someone that makes decisions also having concerns about the air game and ball security? Another wild throw and jump ball and truth be known a lot of people said **ck when they saw this release because they felt what I am saying… like it or not. This is a lack of focus on ball security, your disagreement with it doesn’t change that. Jump balls are desperation throws and generally come at the end of 1/2s or when behind. https://youtu.be/jaUkhgHe67c If nothing I’ve said makes sense then maybe hearing it from Winston himself might.. So wild of a throwaway it was a TD by the ‘hand of God’ LOL https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2021...yton-reaction/ Clearly you didn't read my post or if you didn't understand it. He only had INT's in one game, and then only when it was already pretty hopeless. Our offense, particularly our OL was out of sync that game. As for the 'hand of god' play it was meant to be a throw away, meaning he threw it high away and was surprised it was caught, it didn't look to me like the DB had any chance to make the INT. I'm not reading stats, I'm watching games. Ironically your statement that our QBs "lack of focus on ball security" only makes sense if you focus on stats versus actually watching the games and realizing the game situations. K Major likes this.