Saints release Aldrick Rosas, agree to terms with Cody Parkey

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2021, 11:20 AM

One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback.

That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad.

Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2021, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback.

That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad.

Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.

I see your point about paying a player three weeks if you only need them for one. I'm of the opinion that this isn't a game to management. They would do it to me and therefore I'm willing to "play that game" to get a player I want or need. Business dealings can be very cut throat.

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2021, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I see your point about paying a player three weeks if you only need them for one. I'm of the opinion that this isn't a game to management. They would do it to me and therefore I'm willing to "play that game" to get a player I want or need. Business dealings can be very cut throat.

This is to the point that Dominik was trying to make. He said that the more established and successful GM's are the ones that maintain those good relations. He said that the philosophy of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" tends to get you further than "what comes around goes around" in that business. He basically said a GM needs to weigh the consequences in every move, something that matters not to the average fan.

10-07-2021, 11:20 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints release Aldrick Rosas, agree to terms with Cody Parkey One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback. That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad. Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

10-07-2021, 12:00 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Saints release Aldrick Rosas, agree to terms with Cody Parkey Originally Posted by AsylumGuido One more note on the PK Verity. I remember hearing the former Bucs GM, Mark Dominik, talking about the importance of maintaining good relations with fellow GM's around the league. It had to do with snatching players either while being released for an in season move to the practice squad or signing off of the practice squad. While it is well within the rules it could hamper future dealings with the other team's management. He said something about weighing the benefits against the clear drawback. That got me thinking about the situation with Verity. Practice squad players hold more value to a team than does a free agent, of course. They likely have a greater value to most other teams, as well. This coupled with a rule that requires paying three weeks of the players salary if claimed off of another team's practice squad, regardless of whether they remain on the acquiring team's roster for less time than that or not, could be problematic. This would render a practice squad player a poor candidate for a very short term active roster pickup. First off you would be burning a minimum of three times the rookie base salary for a single week's usage against your cap. Secondly, you can be assured that any move to demote the player to your own practice squad to get future value would fail as they would surely be snatched back up by some other club via waivers for their own practice squad. Would this be worth the cost of the move and the possibility of pissing off a fellow GM in addition? I feel this type of move might be worth it for a player that is likely to remain on the acquiring team's roster for an extended period, but a free agent would be more logical for short term usage with only a game to game obligation in regards to both cap and business relations. I see your point about paying a player three weeks if you only need them for one. I'm of the opinion that this isn't a game to management. They would do it to me and therefore I'm willing to "play that game" to get a player I want or need. Business dealings can be very cut throat.

10-07-2021, 12:10 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints release Aldrick Rosas, agree to terms with Cody Parkey Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I see your point about paying a player three weeks if you only need them for one. I'm of the opinion that this isn't a game to management. They would do it to me and therefore I'm willing to "play that game" to get a player I want or need. Business dealings can be very cut throat. This is to the point that Dominik was trying to make. He said that the more established and successful GM's are the ones that maintain those good relations. He said that the philosophy of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" tends to get you further than "what comes around goes around" in that business. He basically said a GM needs to weigh the consequences in every move, something that matters not to the average fan.