Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Give that a few more weeks, you won't have that issue

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Yeah, wouldn’t figure you to say something like, “yeah, you guys were right, they played it wrong”.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

I’m holding out on hope he’d clear waivers because of that cap number. That in combination with his attitude.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

His twitter says he's done for the year.
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/a...0c9dfc2dc.html

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld: 'You go to war with the Army you have. Not with the Army you'd like to have.'

Adversity will always make a Hero shine. Next man UP!!!!

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Your absolutely right he is a native son..

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

This is where a "LOVE" button would be preferable to a "LIKE" button.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...presentatives/

:popcorn:

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

How the guy went from Promising and hungry Rookie, to insufferable Diva is beyond me.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Agreed. And why would anyone want a guy like OBJ on the team? Talk about Diva. Why??!!!!

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Sure, why not.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Got paid. Disappeared. Hope he never wears black and gold again.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Because the Saints don't just add players on the team.
Players JOIN our team, and they join our system and culture or they get cut.
Trust me, if Michael Thomas is our greatest DIVA, then we have zero worries. I just think MT may have played his last game in a Saints uniform.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Accidentally leave him and CGJ in a room together. Then he will have something to heal from. 😁

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

And typically this isn't supposed to be a skill player heavy draft. Seems to be the best players are linemen on both sides of the ball from what I've read.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Won't odel need to clear waivers, if so he's not coming here

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

I'm trying to stay calm and take the emotion out of it. But what I will say is this situation has been royally botched after the initial injury last year. Our medical team, Michael himself, his own doctors or advisors or whatever combination of parties was responsible need to try to learn from this.

Honestly it's one of the biggest disasters in Saints franchise history. All over a high ankle sprain.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Just a repeat from the discussion on DeSean Jackson:

"Who goes through waivers? Players with less than four years of accrued service time are subject to waivers. A player with at least four years of accrued service time, referred to as a “vested veteran” immediately becomes a free agent and is eligible to sign with any other team."

from: https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/...y-claims-order

OBJ would be an immediate free agent if released.

UPDATE: Reading is fundamental. From the same article:

"Is this the same all season?
No. After the trade deadline passes on November 2, vested veterans will have to go through waivers if released."

I was mistaken.


SFIAH

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

That only applies prior to the trade deadline.

Who goes through waivers?

Players with less than four years of accrued service time are subject to waivers. A player with at least four years of accrued service time, referred to as a “vested veteran” immediately becomes a free agent and is eligible to sign with any other team.

Is this the same all season?

No. After the trade deadline passes on November 2, vested veterans will have to go through waivers if released.

Edit:

:D

I see you found it.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

That goes against things I’ve read. Jackson did not immediately hit as FA. He needed to clear waivers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si....e-deadline-nfl

I think OBJ would be the same, no?

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Since this was his third game called up from the PS, do y’all think Sean will put him on the 53 roster?

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Look I can respect that. But look what he and his dad just did. Talking **** on social media about his QB because he didn't get the ball thrown to him. That type is **** divides locker rooms and creates drama.

That is not the type of player I would be looking at. I'd rather stick with Kevin White who is humble and trying to make a comeback then a spoiled, selfish, tantrum throwing child like OBJ.

Just my opinion.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Oh ok, thought it was three, my mistake. Do you think he’ll be place on the 53?

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Correct ... partially. Two players per week can be promoted and demoted without waivers two times per player for the season. But, the player can be promoted more than twice, but not protected from waivers after the second time. Another important rule is that each team can protect four practice squad players each week from other franchises claiming them off the squad.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

When I first saw him in a Saints uniform I told my twin brother "That man is going to sell a lot of jerseys." I was impressed with him at training camp and knew he could be great. My, how the mighty have fallen. I imagine we'll see a lot less of those jerseys on game days soon. I've been off his band wagon every since he stopped taking calls from the front office and then needed surgery. Now this!

I must say that I'm not really surprised. He screwed the team again because the team believed he was coming back and they didn't make a needed trade for a primary receiver. That's at least twice that I know of he's let the Saints nation down. I'm done with liking him!

Now, I just want to see him make big plays next year if we don't trade him....which I kind of hope we do.:biggun:

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

The "Now this!" doesn't appear to be his fault, to be honest, Rugs. The same setback could have easily occurred even if the surgery was done months earlier. From every indication he was wanting to be back and this isn't his choice at all.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

I'm not a medical expert, but everything about the full timeline of MT's injury screams to me that the diagnosis of the injury was done wrong in the first place. I bet this was far more than a garden variety high ankle sprain. Must have been some other major damage, or the sprain was so severe it really required a different approach/timetable/surgery from the get-go. Every setback is just fallout from the original mishandling. Who to blame for that, I don't know, but it's not wrong to wonder if person(s) should be fired or sued - on Saints or MT's side - for how badly this has gone.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

He was disgruntled his last year in NY when he got over 1K yards and 6 TD's in only 12 games. Dude is just not a happy camper anywhere.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

He gone be happy when he come home! 😁⚜️

If not, you know Payton will send him up outta here.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Looks like the OBJ deal is dead, but I agree with Rez he could have helped us and SP would have shown him the back door with any negative drama.
Good for the Saints looking to find players that can help the team win.

Mayfield's a Punk I can remember him disrespecting Hue Jackson.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

He may not play another snap in a Saints uniform

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Read the rest of it. As I pointed out after the first two protected elevations the player can be elevated to the active roster again but must clear waivers to be reassigned to the practice squad. At that point the player cannot be elevated again that season. As I said, "partially correct". The rest of section 5f explains.

(f) A Practice Squad player may be elevated to a Club’s Active/Inactive List for a maximum combination of two regular season or postseason games in the same League Year. After a Club has elevated a player to its Active/Inactive List for a maximum combination of two games during the regular season or postseason, any subsequent elevation of the player must be an activation to the Club’s 53-player Active/Inactive List. In such a case, the player must first terminate his Practice Squad Player Contract and execute an NFL Player Contract, and the Club must request waivers on that contract, or terminate the contract if the player is not subject to waivers, before resigning the player to its Practice Squad. If the Club requests waivers on the player’s NFL Player Contract and that contract is not claimed by another Club, or if the Club terminates the player’s contract, the player shall become a free agent and shall be free to sign an NFL Player Contract or a Practice Squad Player Contract with any Club, including the Club that requested waivers or terminated the contract. If the player’s NFL Player Contract is not claimed, or if the contract is terminated, and the player subsequently signs a Practice Squad Player Contract with a new Club, nothing shall preclude the signing Club from elevating the player to its Active/Inactive List up to a maximum combination of two regular season or postseason games, subject to the rules set forth in this Section 5. If a Practice Squad Player: (i) has been elevated to a Club’s Active/Inactive List for either one or two games pursuant to this Subsection 5; and (ii) the Club subsequently requests waivers on or terminates his NFL Player Contract, or if the Club terminates his Practice Squad Player Contract; and (iii) thereafter resigns the player to its Practice Squad, the player may not be elevated to that Club’s Active/Inactive List pursuant to this Section 5 for the remainder of that regular or postseason.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

This looks like a valid argument. If he had the surgery when he was supposed to then he might still have been able to come back in time to help his team. But he chose not to. That's all on him!

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

Water under the bridge, my friend. If a person remains pissed off over everything that has ever pissed them off they'll spend the remainder of their life being pissed off about everything.

That is a conscious decision.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

It’s not water under the bridge when it is currently screwing the team. It’s certainly not your job to dictate to others what topics are under the bridge. An injury to a player (like Davenport) is understandable. Even though I have frequently dissed on his selection I have no doubt he has/is doing what he can to get on the field. That claim can not be made of Thomas. By some accounts he did what he could to avoid playing. The team is currently deciding if there is anything that can be done to help clear up the mess he helped make. His (Rugby) thoughts are relevant and timely.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

By all means I would have hoped Thomas could have had the procedure done earlier. I would also have hoped that a second procedure would not have been required as is the case. However, what is done is done, or in this case what wasn't done wasn't done. Nothing can change that fact so dwelling on what could have been has no impact on the here and now or the upcoming future. For all we know Thomas could have had the surgery done in February and returned successfully in game one and then blown out a knee on the first play.

I have just as much right to mention my opinion that moving on from events that cannot be changed is healthy as do those that have the right to dwell upon events that cannot be changed. Do I not?

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

You sure do have that right. But you treat other users like they don’t have the same right when you say their feelings about Thomas are not relevant or that what they care about is water under the bridge.

Re: Michael Thomas has injury setback, return to the Saints is still unclear
 

It IS water under the bridge. That is a fact. The definition of water under the bridge is referring to something that happened in the past and cannot be changed. Dwelling on those things is futile. Yet, I have never said that you or any other do not have the right to dwell on something that cannot be changed. I have simply pointed out the lack of logic behind doing so. Dwell away!