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If either QB desperately wants to move on the clubs will oblige. Neither club will hold a trade partner hostage in this case. Green Bay has already restructured Rodgers' contract to make it more attractive for trade. I don't think the possibilities are great, but they definitely are not impossible for the Saints. Along with the Hill extension there are more moves that can free up 2022 & 2023 cap. Couple that with what should be huge leaps in cap levels the next couple of years nothing is impossible.

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At $96 million for four years it wuld be a steal for a QB contract opening up all types of possibilities for higher prices free agent additions.

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Posted by Josh Alper on February 22, 2021, 3:38 PM EST

When Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson went public with his desire to have a voice in personnel decisions and his frustration with getting hit too much earlier this month, word was that the Seahawks were unhappy about it and that led some to wonder if it was the first step toward a departure from the team.

Wilson said the question of whether he’s available in a trade is for the Seahawks to answer and teams have reportedly been asking. Michael Silver of NFL Media reports that one-third of the league has called the team about the possibility of a Wilson trade.

Silver adds that those teams have come away with the belief that the starting point for any serious conversations would be three first-round picks. That’s a bit different than word earlier this month that there was no chance that the team would trade Wilson, although it’s unclear if anyone has conveyed a willingness to move that number of assets to Seattle in a trade.

Trading Wilson would require the Seahawks to take $39 million of dead money onto their cap, although waiting to process a trade until after June 1 would allow them to push $26 million of it into the 2022 season. Silver also reported that the Seahawks got Wilson’s message and that there is an opportunity to alleviate his concerns before any trade would be on the table.

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That was from this past February. With one more year down the road and coming off a very disappointing season the asking price could easily be even lower.

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Exactly. And he has to keep the starting job year after year to get that big chunk of money. So even if he gets the job and losses it mid season or after 1 season, he won't be paid all that money. He has to be the starter.

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IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season. The franchise tag value for a QB for 2021 according to spotrac is just under 25. So you are paying him close to a top 5 QB. Unless my math is wrong.

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That is if he starts all four years. You have to factor in QB salaries with the expanded cap in years 2022 through 2025. Some projections have average QB salaries being over $30 million in the very near future.

According to overthecap.com the top 13 2022 QB cap numbers are $23 million or more. Of those nine are more than $30 million and four are over $40 million! It's just going to keep climbing every year. Locking in a potential starting QB at $23 million per year for four years is absolutely a steal.

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And projections had Michael Thomas playing this year. Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best.

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So does this mean he is the starting QB Thursday? I mean we can't start Trevor again can we?

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Two words: Deshaun Watson. There's no one more desperate to get out of HTown but is still stuck.

It's not about the money. It's about the compensation. QBs at this level of discussion will rightly fetch a king's ransom in picks and personnel. We're already looking at a decimated team operate on a temporary basis. Would anyone really want to see this permanently?

SFIAH

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Watson isn't stuck because of compensation. He's stuck because of 22 lawsuits and possible criminal counts and a very potential lengthy suspension from the league.

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It's par for 2021. Not for the future. Projecting an injured player playing and projecting salaries are vastly different in nature. Apples and oranges, Boston.

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Does anyone think this is a commitment to Taysom as the starter in 2022, and SP sliding over to the Dark side and retooling the offense for the RPO?

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We can, but I hope the hell not.

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Then why not offer 4 years and $96 million to a slightly better QB Trevor Simien, opening up all that free agent money to get him the receivers he needs.? Not a great solution, but at least he is not one concussion away from retirement.

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Siemian is not an NFL starter. He's proven that. And the new Hill contract does open up cap money. That's part of the reason for doing it.

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uhhh..... no

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It is apples and oranges. My apples of the reality of 24 million a year contract which is almost top 5 pay as QB vs your made up oranges speculating 24 million will be a steal in 3-4 years because QB salaries would have risen so high.

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Forget it. Whatever you say. You argue over the stupidest ****.

:rolleyes:

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Amnesia is a cruel disease.
When Taysom was exclusively on Special Teams he was the best player field.
When Taysom joined the offense under Brees, he excelled at all the skill positions. Especially moving the chains on short yardage like nobody else on the team could.
When Brees went down last year, Taysom started at QB. He was 3-1 (so please stop it with the "let's try him & see how he does". That test has been run. Check!).
So, all last off-season Taysom trains & conditions exclusively for the QB position. But, he ended up not being the starter, and then immediately got thrown back into the Swiss-Army role that he didn't condition his body for. And now he's hurt. Big fkng Surprise!
When Taysom is healthy, he should be the starting QB because he's earned it & proven it. End of Fkng story!

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Come on, he isn't that bad, ice.

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At this point in the season, I have no issues with Taysom taking over as starter.

I think Trevor did as best he could under the circumstances he was given. I don't think he did awful by any means. He made some plays.

Regardless of WR issues, injuries, penalties and defensive and offensive meltdowns, you either stick with Trevor for the remainder of the season and see if he can right the ship. Or you see if Taysom can come in and provide a spark.

Both come with their own set of positives and negatives.

IMO, if you're gonna make a change to QB or if you're gonna stick wth Trevor, you make the commitment now before it's too late.

Guess we'll see what happens on Thursday. Should be an exciting day.

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Funny thing is all Isaid was “ IDK about a steal. 96 mill would be 24/ season”. He then proceeds to try and convince me that I’m wrong and 24 million a year is a steal for a QB. I’m just not looking at it right.

Yet I argue over meaningless points.

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Hey Boston check these salaries out for next year! AG does have a point but I still don't believe Taysom will be our starting QB for the next 4 years.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022/

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thanks for the link and it does support his point about salaries going up. But it also shows 24+ as being middle of the pack. And when you see guys like Stafford, Murray, Brady making less than that I find it hard to see 24 million being a steal. If he pulls a Kurt Warner and set the league on fire I’ll call that a steal.

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That Guido chump is full of crap and himself... such a tool:bng:

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This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best."

The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point.

It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment.

IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose.

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IF and WHAT IF are interchangeable and one of the legs that hold up the B&G "FOUR HOARSE MEN" table of the B&G. COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A being the other three. It' the table the Lombardi rests in all it's glory!!!!!

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You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.

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Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!!

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Winston played well enough until he got hurt, now we should get to see how well Hill does, it's his job to win or lose!!

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Um. That's what I've been saying. ;)

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DING! DING! DING! Maybe it is finally sinking in, Boston. The contract is written as a series of "what if's". That's the whole point. It isn't a $23.75 million per annum contract unless those "what if's" are met. With no "what if's" accomplished the contract sits at $10 million per year.

And, yes, time will tell. I basically said that as well. No where did I say the contract WAS a steal. I said under certain circumstances it COULD be a steal. And I am perfectly self aware. :rolleyes: Give it a try.

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If time will tell why are you trying to convince me now it’s a steal? Don’t act like you scored some big logic point by twisting the argument to what may happen 4 years from now. If he QBs next year he will get 24 million as a starter. That’s not a steal IMO. It’s OK if you think it is.

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My God! Are you serious? I never said the contract IS a steal. What is your problem? I said IF Hill QB's all four years it COULD be a steal. Jesus Christ.

You are totally losing it, Boston. :(

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Ok. And I say at that price it won’t be a steal even if he wins us the SB. It will be a good signing. It will be the average QB salary. We disagree on the meaning of steal. There, I found it again. Why do you care if I agree or not?

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This is the reason I was hesitant to answer the poll question you put out Guids. On this thread I generally agreed with you about the Hill contract in that it’s not a bad deal. Yet you won’t allow me to say that I don’t know if it would be a steal. We go back and forth about what our opinions on “steal” is. So You wonder Why I would hesitate to answer a worded poll question; it’s because you would later use it to prove some point on an unrelated topic.

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It would be great! At 24+ million a year it wouldn’t be a steal.