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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of ...

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Old 11-24-2021, 09:43 AM   #71
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This was the comment I was addressing: "Bottom line is even with your projections, signing a guy to a 24 million a year deal to be your QB at best puts you in the middle of the pack salary wise. That’s hardly a steal. It’s par for the course at best."

The point I was making is that IF Hill starts for all four years the $24 million average would be a steal as compared to other starters over that same four year stretch. And IF Hill is still starting after four years then it can be easily assumed he is having success as the starter. The starting QB salary is perhaps the easiest to project out into the future now that the new CBA and the broadcast partnerships are in place. There have been projections placing the top NFL QB salaries at over $50 million per year average by 2025. Not a stretch at all given the top starter cap hits are already over $40 million in 2022. Starter averages could be around $30-$35 million by that point.

It's all basic economics, cost accounting, and business law. Present cost and values versus future costs and values in a contractually controlled rising economic environment.

IF Hill doesn't start all four years he isn't getting the full $55 million in incentives and therefore isn't going to be averaging the full $24 million per year. There's really nothing to lose.
You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.
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You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.
Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!!
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Winston played well enough until he got hurt, now we should get to see how well Hill does, it's his job to win or lose!!
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Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!!
Um. That's what I've been saying.
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You write four paragraphs full of “what if’s”, “coulds”, and “projections” trying to justify your point and you say I’M the one that likes to argue 🙄. Dude, get some friggin self awareness.

Even with your “projections” of the average starting QB salary being 30-35 million I STILL would not call 22 million a steal. A steal was getting Winston for 5.5 million to be the starter this year when that salary puts him as the 33rd highest paid QB. Paying a guy to be in the 20th or so slot isn’t a steal unless that guy plays like Kurt Warner. If Hill is a starting QB four years from now and 22 million makes Hill the 33rd or lower paid QB, then I’ll concede the deal was indeed a steal.

But this is just my opinion. If you think the contract is a steal at this amount for a QB going forward then Ok. Time will tell.
DING! DING! DING! Maybe it is finally sinking in, Boston. The contract is written as a series of "what if's". That's the whole point. It isn't a $23.75 million per annum contract unless those "what if's" are met. With no "what if's" accomplished the contract sits at $10 million per year.

And, yes, time will tell. I basically said that as well. No where did I say the contract WAS a steal. I said under certain circumstances it COULD be a steal. And I am perfectly self aware. Give it a try.
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DING! DING! DING! Maybe it is finally sinking in, Boston. The contract is written as a series of "what if's". That's the whole point. It isn't a $23.75 million per annum contract unless those "what if's" are met. With no "what if's" accomplished the contract sits at $10 million per year.

And, yes, time will tell. I basically said that as well. No where did I say the contract WAS a steal. I said under certain circumstances it COULD be a steal. And I am perfectly self aware. Give it a try.
If time will tell why are you trying to convince me now it’s a steal? Don’t act like you scored some big logic point by twisting the argument to what may happen 4 years from now. If he QBs next year he will get 24 million as a starter. That’s not a steal IMO. It’s OK if you think it is.
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If time will tell why are you trying to convince me now it’s a steal? Don’t act like you scored some big logic point by twisting the argument to what may happen 4 years from now. If he QBs next year he will get 24 million as a starter. That’s not a steal IMO. It’s OK if you think it is.
My God! Are you serious? I never said the contract IS a steal. What is your problem? I said IF Hill QB's all four years it COULD be a steal. Jesus Christ.

You are totally losing it, Boston.
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My God! Are you serious? I never said the contract IS a steal. What is your problem? I said IF Hill QB's all four years it COULD be a steal. Jesus Christ.

You are totally losing it, Boston.
Ok. And I say at that price it won’t be a steal even if he wins us the SB. It will be a good signing. It will be the average QB salary. We disagree on the meaning of steal. There, I found it again. Why do you care if I agree or not?
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This is the reason I was hesitant to answer the poll question you put out Guids. On this thread I generally agreed with you about the Hill contract in that it’s not a bad deal. Yet you won’t allow me to say that I don’t know if it would be a steal. We go back and forth about what our opinions on “steal” is. So You wonder Why I would hesitate to answer a worded poll question; it’s because you would later use it to prove some point on an unrelated topic.
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Or if Hill is the starting QB four years from now and he does really well and earns the increased pay, that would be good too!!
It would be great! At 24+ million a year it wouldn’t be a steal.
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