Observations from the Saints' Loss to the Bills
 

Time for a new QB?

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-Probably a league record for salary not playing.
-Armstead should not have been playing.
-Humphrey always makes a play or two.
-Time to start Hill. The plays he makes with his legs can make a difference.
-Granderson puts out the effort.
-Onyemata has been pretty invisible.
-Beat the Cowboys and be in the mix at 6-6. Get some guys back. At least make it interesting.

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-5-6+ second drop backs are not sustainable especially with our current O-line.
- really hate us continually going for two early in games, especially since were not good at it.
- I get that we don't have the fastest WRs but there are ways around that (Steve Largent is HOF and her was never the fastest guy on the field) are they not good route runners either? Even the veterans?
- D did everything could when they didn't get many breathers from the O.

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They were undrafted for a reason.

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Only problem I have with this is the thoughts on the D. In no way am I blaming the loss on them. However, on their first drive of the game, the Bills drove easily for a TD. On the first drive of the second half, Bills had an over 6 minute drive down the Saints throat for a TD (including a converting on a 3rd and very long by a QB scramble IIRC). Those were against rested defenses and they were coffin nails when the offense is struggling.

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Not much good about this team.

Offense is among the worst in the league.
Defense is average at best.

Toss Book in there to see what you got and tank the rest of the season. They need to focus on rebuilding.

Playoffs lol… even if we made it, it would be a blowout loss in the wild card round. Let’s get a top 10 pick please.

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Just think about Coach Moras legendary speech, serious I wonder if we can win another game. Maybe the Jets or Dolphins after that it's anybody's guess.

“Playoffs? Don’t talk about?playoffs?! You kidding me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game! Another game!” Mora cried out.

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Sorry, I personally don't think that's an excuse. They're NFL players. They are paid to play football. Specifically WR.

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I'm hungover. But it was worth it.

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Definitely not an excuse. But its still accurate. These guys clearly don't know how to play the position at a level that would make any of them more than anybody's #3, #4 WR. And we're starting them.

1. We clearly overrated our WR room, injuries notwithstanding. That has to be on SOMEbody.

2. OR, the team knew exactly that the room, overall, was not good, and simply had to sell the players to the fans cause we don't have the cap to fix it.

I am not convinced Sean went into this season, with THESE WRs, and seriously thought he'd have a chance.

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+1.

I've said this countless times but this is the result when you ignore drafting at the skill position for 3+ seasons. 0 route runners on tap. This should be a wake-up call for CSP.

It's time to draft some legit, high-quality WR's. No more hoping to turn a lump of coal into a diamond.

The Great Marques Colston's of the world are rare breeds.

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I think your 2 point is the biggest factor. And even then they were competitive until injuries struck. Having Lutz out alone has cost 2 games.

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Also them drafting guys you never heard of out these small schools in the first few rounds too. I’m getting tired of “Sam Wilson” from the university of Montana at Missoula sh*t. These guys got a huge learning curve to over come in the pros. It’s like they are trying to prove people wrong instead of going for surer things.

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I think he did and that's a big problem.

We have a personnel problem that needs to be addressed. Whether it's Payton who needs to take a step back or getting the right GM/team together to evaluate talent. I get Loomis is "a cap guru", but he needs to be more than that.

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Armstead, McKoy and Ruiz also performed poorly.

Didn’t see the effort up front. Trevor is a back up and he needs all the help he can get. Guys just didn’t seem to give a damn in the trenches.

Pathetic performance on offense.

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And maybe its just me, but Trevor is just...he is a competent backup qb. He just doesn't seem to me to have that 'get behind me we're gonna do this' vibe about him. He plays disinterested. I don't think the man is disinterested. I swear I'm not throwing rocks. He just plays that way. He plays like a guy going to the office and doing what they tell him...and nothing more. And that's fine if you're holding the clipboard...

The team looks like it is reflecting this. Guys are looking around at each other with these wtf looks on their faces. Shoulders down. Heads shaking. It is sad to see how far we've fallen. This disinterest has leaked over to the defense, so thankfully we do have some people on that side of the ball leading and playing with pride. Drew would be lighting people up on the sideline. MT would be doing the same.

And the thing is, we weren't playing a whole lot better before all the injuries. We have not found our QB. That much is clear.

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For #2 and yet they came out of the blue with that crazy Taysom contract.

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I'm sure Emmanuel Sanders stopped by to say Hi-De-Ho to Sean.

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Not sure if you all heard what Drew said about Trevor. He drops very deep back which is a Lineman's nightmare. It cripples him from stepping into the pocket past the rush which leaves him most times a sitting duck.

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This team is too dysfunctional in too many areas. 4 straight losses have shown every weakness and there's a lot of them.

Offense can only sustain drives against prevent defenses
Defense coverage and pass rush is too inconsistent
Injuries to too many players
No reliable kicker to make points
Haven't made a successful 2 pointer in what feels like years
Olineman acting like turnstiles but being paid as NFL players

The way Loomis and Payton treat the cap, it'll be like this for a while too. Massively overpaying players or extending contracts of players that can't stay healthy.

At this point, I'd rather us lose out for the draft pick, which will probably get taken away when Payton or the Gas Station attendants we have at WR do something else illegal

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All of our money is tied up in huge unimaginable contracts for undeperforming players and our roster is loaded with dirt cheap contracts to offset that. I'm talking UDFA's loaded. Some of our late picks are finally developing on the team though and they look to have potential. When you tie up all your money in a large group of overpaid starters you can't afford to pay for quality replacements. In NO when they go down the next man up needs to be developing on the practice squad not being eaten alive by high draft picks with years of training and development.

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- The defense stood up well in the first half for the most part. The Bills first drive was mostly likely their best scripted plays which should have given them their best chance for success. We were still in the game at the half. The ineptitude of the Siemian led offense kept the defense on the field far too long for them to remain effective.

- As poorly as Siemian played in each of his first three starts he is regressing even further. The opposition knows he is not threat to pass accurately or escape even minimal pressure. This allowed the Bills the opportunity to continuously load the box against the run and send minimal pressure on passing downs. Every Saints possession started out with a 2nd and 8 or worse. The Bills were shredded by the Colts the previous week for 264 yards on the ground because Wentz was an actual threat in the pass game and the defense had to play honest.

- As outclassed as our receivers are they were still getting open, but Siemian was not finding them. When he did target them he missed the throw more times than not. There were times when it wasn't even apparent who his target actually was.

- Bills fans had a huge presence in the Dome. I suppose ticket holders moved their tickets in favor of turkey and dressing early in the season. That many opposing fans cannot fly in under current conditions with the pandemic requirements. To their credit they were extremely vocal and were enjoying 70 degree weather instead of the normal Buffalo fare.

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Defense knows it has had to carry this O, there not!! I don't think they can or will. Not the greatest front overall. Not a contenders D, more like a complimentary D, one that has to rely on the O for at least 25 a game. I have a had time with our O able to score 25.

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The D never really stood a chance with the offense never giving them a break, HOWEVER....Marcus Williams, I have to say is one of the worst tackling safeties I've ever seen. The first Bills Touchdown to Knox, he reads the flare pass, runs up to Knox, strokes his Jersey a little, Touchdown.

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You do realize we were missing our best lineman on that front, right? And they did a commendable job with the offense falling flat on their faces every possession.

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Now that I think about it… where the hell was Kenny Stills last night??

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He was in there on the opening play and then 20 more snaps according to the boxscore. Never targeted.

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Glad to hear Guido's feedback. You can always observe more live at the game than you can on TV.

At 5-6 it feels like we have reached a "break glass" situation on offense. Over the last two games Siemian has been well below replacement level, even for a backup QB. I bet less than 5% of fans let alone the general public think Siemian still should be starting. It's Payton team though and we have to live with his choice - just know his approval rating will fall off a cliff if he persists with the Siemian delusion.

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I really think Payton had no choice so far. Taysom was hurt and I'm sure he knows that Book simply isn't ready. They see Book in practice every day. They know what he can, and more importantly, cannot do. I don't think he wants Siemian out there anymore than the rest of us but his options are limited until Hill can actually take snaps.

As for approval rating, do you really think Payton gives a crap? LOL!

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Sean doesn't want to reveal to much to the opponents and limit Hill's, Saints' success...

Sean simply leaves it as Hill is reported injured, compliant with NFL, but is not physically ready to play QB...

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Yeah. He said it made life hard on guards trying to block for a foolish man who, after years of playing football, still has not figured out he needs to step up in the pocket.

Well, Drew didn't say it that way but that's what he said more or less.

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I wonder if there is a masterplan in place where Sean truly wishes to redshirt Book for the whole year because he wants someone (possibly Drew) to tutor Book deeply during the offseason and get him ready for the system before Book sees action. This is all speculator on my part though - and this does seem unlikely given the serious consideration thus far given to Jameis and Taysom to be the dude. Book is by far the cheapest of the three, though.

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CSP summed it up perfectly inside 30 seconds.

The offense and special teams gave us no chance.

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Damn, hate to hear this; liked Tre' White as much as Marshon in the '17 draft...