THURSDAY NIGHT IS ON THE DEFENSE.
 

QB issues and dropped balls and injuries aside, If we allow Dallas to look anything like the Bills Offense did early in the game, It's going to be beyond embarrassing in the Dome. The Defense had better dial up something RADICAL.

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You could not be more wrong.

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Are you saying that the Defense is going to look like it did during the Bills' opening drives on Thanksgiving? You may be right.

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No. I think he's saying that the defense actually looked pretty good given the horrible field position and the exorbitant amount of time they had to be on the field. They held the Bill to 10 points in the first half. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you hold an opponent to 10 points per half you will win a ton of games in the NFL.

Last Thursday's game was on the offense and special teams. I'm not concerned with the defense. It's the other two phases that need to step up and do their part this week.

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I am concerned with the DEFENSE. The Offense is beyond concern at this point, unless Fans can come out of their seats and suit up.

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So we have to win without scoring points? Its a team sport and our formula to win requires great defense and ok offense. If the offense is worse than ok, thats not on the defense.

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We're getting both Kamara and Ingram back this week. That'll be a huge upgrade. Add in the fact that Ramczyk is back practicing the offense is looking quite a bit more functional. Without a functional offense the best defense in the league has little chance against a decent opponent, don't you think?

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Exactly. Complimentary football.

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Never said anything about not scoring points. Probably won't help to score a mercy 6 in the fourth quarter, after allowing runs up the middle, QB sneaks, receivers to get free, missing multiple tackles, and being down by like 60 after three quarters.

DEFENSE BETTER DIAL IN SOMETHING RADICAL.

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ALL TRUE. AND... WE NEED TO BE THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE on Thursday Night.

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When your defense has spent 2/3 of the game on the field because of repeated three and outs by your offense they are going to start breaking down. They'll start allowing runs up the middle, missing tackles, and letting coverage breakdown. That's not because the defense is bad. It's because they are gassed. I was at the game. The defense was totally worn out. Blowing wind.

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Go back and re-watch the Bills' early drives. Was our Defense totally worn out already? No, maybe don't.

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Looks like Kamara, Ingram and Ram might be back. That's a plus. But I really have little faith in this team right now.

They gotta pull themselves out of a hole. A big one.

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A couple of early sacks, stopping the run, MAKE TACKLES, a quick pick six in the first quarter, and the Dome will be ON FIRE. Then we can can talk about Kamara and Ingram all night in LIVE CHAT.

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The offense has been stagnant. The defense is not as good as they thought they were.

We had some early season success but this team is not good. They're gonna have to come alive.

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They were facing one of the best QB's in the game with their best scripted plays. They started with good field position after the Saints opening possession went three and out. They scored on a ten play drive. Saints fizzled out after six plays. Bills get shut down after netting only 8 yards on their next drive. Saints turns the ball over next possession on downs giving the Bills the ball on their own 46. Defense holds Bills to a field goal. The Saints offense manages 11 yards on their next possession giving the ball back the Bills once again. The Saints defense picks off Josh Allen on the possession. The Saints offense stalls after three plays and the special teams attempted a bad fake punt giving the Bills excellent field position once again. Starting at midfield the Bills work the ball down and Allen is picked off once again. Siemian kneels on the ball to end the half.

Now tell me what the defense did so bad on the Bills early drives. They were put in bad situations by the offense and special teams and held them to 157 total yards and 10 points in the first half.

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I don't do live chat. Tried it once and hated it. Nothing but constant *****ing and moaning. I'd rather sit and watch closely. But, I'll be back in Section 229 watch in person again.

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ALL of that aside, THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY ON FIRE on Thursday night. PERIOD.

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The very first TD by the Bills, Minneapolis Marcus missed another tackle that he should have made.

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Yet he had FOUR tackles on that first drive. I don't remember a missed tackle. He was barely able to get a hand on Knox on that play. That wouldn't qualify as a missed tackle. He came into the game as the NFL's 2nd ranked safety according to Pro Football Focus. Kevin Byard was 1st.

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Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen though. He read the play well and ran at Knox, then just tapped his Jersey slightly.

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I've included some pictures of the TD.
First picture, Marcus squaring him up to tackle.
Second picture, Marcus grabbing dust.

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He got faked out. It happens. Doesn't bother me.

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Even Demario gets beat, juked, or misses a tackle sometimes. Like AG said it happens. The kid is still a top 5 free safety all day everyday

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I don’t see anything wrong with pointing out issues the defense has. Philly ran it down their throats. They couldn’t hold lead against Atl and NY. They aren’t getting much QB pressure and, when they do, they don’t contain the QB well. It was fantastic that they held Buff to 10 first half points. But it wasn’t a dominating performance. For the most part Bills drove from drive 1 and D couldn’t stop them but for the Ints. And the Bills scored on drive 1 of the first half and drive 1 of the second. Don’t want to hear the “tired” excuses. Offense sucked big time. Defense was average.

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EXACTLY.

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Agree completely. See the ravens and Trent dilfer. Am avg offense that used ball control with a dominant defense.

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Oh don't forget how our DBs do their little hand shake and dance when we're getting the **** kicked out of us in the 4th quarter with no chance of coming back. But hey...they did their job and batted a pass or had good coverage and have to celebrate all cute like a bunch of ****in losers. Lol.

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No, Philly didn't run it down our throats. Josh Allen ran it down our throats the two RBs averaged 2.9 YPC.

You don't rush and contain a QB at the same time. If you sack him he is contained, if you fail to sack him he is gone. It is one or the other with very different approaches. Pressure and containment do not go hand in hand.

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I'm not expecting much from the team this week or the rest of the year to be honest. Next year however has a different feel to me as usual. Hope springs eternal!

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What does Josh Allen have to do with Philly? I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but Phillies RBs rushed for well over 100 yards and that has nothing to do with what their quarterback rushed for. Isn’t this supposed to be a run defense that prides itself or not giving up a lot of rushing yards? If it makes you feel better to tell yourself that they only averaged 2.9 yards a carry that’s fine, but that still means that they ran a whole Lotta damn running plays to get that many yards for their running backs. Got their butts kicked by an average team rushing for a lot of yards. Now cue the “but the defense was tired” lines.


And it’s entirely possible to rush a QB and provide a spy to keep the QB in check. How did teams ever play Michael Vic, Randall Cunningham, or Cam Newton if that was the case? The obvious offense problems are being used as a scapegoat to ignore defensive issues by some here on the board. Look at Seattle last night WITH wilson and the receivers they have. A big deal was made out of how good the Saints defense was in shutting them down in bad weather with Geno starting. After what their offense looked like last night the Saints D shutting them down doesn’t seem impressive.

Edit: Miles Sanders averaged over 5.5 yards a carry. Where did you get a 2.9 average?

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With Trevor, pressure and containment actually DO go hand and hand. LMFAO

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After what I just heard about the Injury Report and our Offense, I will humbly repeat: THURSDAY NIGHT IS ON THE DEFENSE.

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Agreed, it is entirely possible but also entirely foolish. What is your experience on the defensive side of the ball in pads and helmet?

If you are applying pressure to a QB that means you are going after him which also means he is going to bolt (one of the hardest things for new QBs to learn is to stay in the pocket)... Why would you waste a man watching to see if he runs when you are intentionally making him run?

Look up the definition of "spy" spys are used to cover a RB who may carry in a delayed play or a dual threat QB in case the routs break down leaving him no option but to run without open receivers. A spy is not to watch your other defensive players chase a QB. If you are trying to apply pressure to a QB you have at least one man dedicated to rushing him, adding a spy to watch the chase opens up a receiver because you cant cover a receiver and spy a QB at the same time.

You need to go back and watch how those QBs were played, each and everyone of them was more dangerous when pressured than when they ran due to coverage taking their routes away..

Those people that you say are ignoring things probably just recognize that when you are a top 10 defense in the league and tied for 5th in points allowed but 8th from the bottom in points scored, offense is why you are losing games. It is math, not science. :bng:

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So, are you saying the Saints D has no issues and has no room for improvement? Because my only point is that the D has issues and there is room for improvement.

You honestly think the D played like a top 10 unit during this losing streak? Against Atl? Against NYG. I didn’t play ball past high school, so good chance that you have more experience than I do. But it’s foolish to cut into me when I point out that Philly ran it down the Saints throats. Their RBs as a group ran for 170+ yards and had over 5 yards a carry in that gam. That’s without any QB input. Yet you come after me for pointing that out? That’s foolish and it’s foolish if you think that’s good defense.

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Our whole team sucks right now. Defense. Offense. And SP.

Punter is good. Lol

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Not at throwing passes on fake punts.

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Our WR would have dropped it anyway...

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LMFAO

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