THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH

K Major · 12-04-2021, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Yeah. I think he's as frustrated as a lot of us. I'm sure he, like me and so many others, see's solutions, and he also see's the league refuse to address the situation.

You've argued this point in numerous threads over the years and I agree 100.

ZERO accountability.

AsylumGuido · 12-05-2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

I too am baffled that the NFL doesn't take steps to fix the problem and wonder why. I do think they like the inconstincies as it adds suspense and drama. I would think they would want it cleaned up. I don't believe there is a conspiracy to rig the games for certain teams.

I pointed out earlier what I felt were the roadblocks to addressing the problem. How do they go directly from part time officials to fulltime in one offseason? Sure, some of the officials would be willing to giving up their real careers to become fulltime time, but there's a very real possibility it would be mostly made up of those that ARE the problem in the first place.

Perhaps one solution might be to faze in the transition making crew chiefs and "sky judges" fulltime time first. Cherry pick the very best ones willing to become fulltime. Then start transitioning the rest of crews over a couple of years or so. Add two more fulltime officials to every crew every year for three years. That'll bring it to the seven on field and the one booth official for every crew. One more thing, make the job worth it to the officials with excellent pay, but also grading that can affect their status throughout the season and from season to season.

And I agree completely about the ridiculous notion that games are rigged for certain teams. That's fan paranoia at its best, or worse, depending upon the viewpoint.

Boston Saint · 12-05-2021, 08:36 AM

It makes me laugh thinking about how people who watch every game, listen constantly to NFL talking mouthpieces, follow all the twitter outlets and invest so much emotionally and financially into following the league think that they have the objective, unbiased viewpoint, defend obvious league attempts to NOT address the situation and consider it phobic when other people point out reality.

saintsfan1976 · 12-05-2021, 09:35 AM

I love this statement from the official website: https://operations.nfl.com/officiati...g-for-success/

THE RESULTS
A typical 2020 NFL game averaged just over 156 plays — a number that has remained high in recent years as more teams run up-tempo offenses.

More plays create more chances for an official's call (or non-call) to be reviewed — and also increases the possibility of error. Still, in 2020, the most plays (99.1 percent) were officiated on the field without instant replay review.

Even on the toughest, most controversial calls that were elevated to instant replay review, an official’s initial ruling on the field is confirmed nearly two-thirds of the time. Only 40 percent of on-field calls have been overturned since 1999.

Confirmed nearly 2/3 of the time. but also "only" overturned 40% of the calls...

In my opinion, less of the focus should be on the men and women on the field and more towards leveraging technology and additional personnel (say in studio) to improve both the Accuracy of calls and Timeliness of corrections.

Boston Saint · 12-05-2021, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I love this statement from the official website: https://operations.nfl.com/officiati...g-for-success/

THE RESULTS
A typical 2020 NFL game averaged just over 156 plays — a number that has remained high in recent years as more teams run up-tempo offenses.

More plays create more chances for an official's call (or non-call) to be reviewed — and also increases the possibility of error. Still, in 2020, the most plays (99.1 percent) were officiated on the field without instant replay review.

Even on the toughest, most controversial calls that were elevated to instant replay review, an official’s initial ruling on the field is confirmed nearly two-thirds of the time. Only 40 percent of on-field calls have been overturned since 1999.

Confirmed nearly 2/3 of the time. but also "only" overturned 40% of the calls...

In my opinion, less of the focus should be on the men and women on the field and more towards leveraging technology and additional personnel (say in studio) to improve both the Accuracy of calls and Timeliness of corrections.

Indeed. I made the comment previously that it’s pathetic there are no rules regarding how many and placement of cameras for an NFL game. They can review, have rules for and fine players for uniform violations but not have rules for cameras...ok.

And the statement they put out is silly. Good point about the downplay of the high percentage of plays being overturned that they ignored, but that does not include reviewable plays that were not even reviewed because of lack of team challenges or being at the end of a half or teams rushing up to snap before the review can happen.

Couple that with calls that are NOT reviewable like roughing the passer, PI, holding, and block in the back and the idea that the refs are doing a good job is ridiculous.

neugey · 12-05-2021, 11:37 AM

I think I've said in a previous thread - the first change I would make is that ALL personal foul/roughing passer/targeting/defenseless receiver/unnecessary roughness plays should be automatically reviewed using video replay.

xan · 12-05-2021, 11:42 AM

Maybe it’s the economist in me, but if the stat is that in a small sample of audits, you have a 40% error rate, it generally indicates a massive problem. If this were an accounting audit, there would be jail time.

I understand that the game is fast and complicated, but there is technology to assist. VAR is used in professional soccer at any point in the match, and there is a professional crew on and off the field. It actually makes the game better and more satisfying when you can tell if the result was fairly obtained.

RailBoss · 12-05-2021, 12:19 PM

Was just thinking about VAR in soccer which is a faster non stop game. It's not perfect but it seems to have cleaned up a lot of missed or incorrect calls.

saintsfan1976 · 12-05-2021, 01:40 PM

Eagle Eye in tennis. Although not apples to apples, it's still an example of just how antiquated the NFL is.

neugey · 12-05-2021, 09:57 PM

Now *this* is a blindside block

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaiuqfv7VZc

12-04-2021, 08:07 PM	#31
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by saintfan Yeah. I think he's as frustrated as a lot of us. I'm sure he, like me and so many others, see's solutions, and he also see's the league refuse to address the situation. You've argued this point in numerous threads over the years and I agree 100. ZERO accountability. saintfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

12-05-2021, 08:09 AM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by vtiger72 I too am baffled that the NFL doesn't take steps to fix the problem and wonder why. I do think they like the inconstincies as it adds suspense and drama. I would think they would want it cleaned up. I don't believe there is a conspiracy to rig the games for certain teams. I pointed out earlier what I felt were the roadblocks to addressing the problem. How do they go directly from part time officials to fulltime in one offseason? Sure, some of the officials would be willing to giving up their real careers to become fulltime time, but there's a very real possibility it would be mostly made up of those that ARE the problem in the first place. Perhaps one solution might be to faze in the transition making crew chiefs and "sky judges" fulltime time first. Cherry pick the very best ones willing to become fulltime. Then start transitioning the rest of crews over a couple of years or so. Add two more fulltime officials to every crew every year for three years. That'll bring it to the seven on field and the one booth official for every crew. One more thing, make the job worth it to the officials with excellent pay, but also grading that can affect their status throughout the season and from season to season. And I agree completely about the ridiculous notion that games are rigged for certain teams. That's fan paranoia at its best, or worse, depending upon the viewpoint.
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12-05-2021, 08:36 AM	#33
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH It makes me laugh thinking about how people who watch every game, listen constantly to NFL talking mouthpieces, follow all the twitter outlets and invest so much emotionally and financially into following the league think that they have the objective, unbiased viewpoint, defend obvious league attempts to NOT address the situation and consider it phobic when other people point out reality. saintfan, iceshack149, jnormand and 1 others like this.

12-05-2021, 09:35 AM	#34
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,536 Blog Entries: 3	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH I love this statement from the official website: https://operations.nfl.com/officiati...g-for-success/ THE RESULTS A typical 2020 NFL game averaged just over 156 plays — a number that has remained high in recent years as more teams run up-tempo offenses. More plays create more chances for an official's call (or non-call) to be reviewed — and also increases the possibility of error. Still, in 2020, the most plays (99.1 percent) were officiated on the field without instant replay review. Even on the toughest, most controversial calls that were elevated to instant replay review, an official’s initial ruling on the field is confirmed nearly two-thirds of the time. Only 40 percent of on-field calls have been overturned since 1999. Confirmed nearly 2/3 of the time. but also "only" overturned 40% of the calls... In my opinion, less of the focus should be on the men and women on the field and more towards leveraging technology and additional personnel (say in studio) to improve both the Accuracy of calls and Timeliness of corrections. neugey, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

12-05-2021, 11:29 AM	#35
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I love this statement from the official website: https://operations.nfl.com/officiati...g-for-success/ THE RESULTS A typical 2020 NFL game averaged just over 156 plays — a number that has remained high in recent years as more teams run up-tempo offenses. More plays create more chances for an official's call (or non-call) to be reviewed — and also increases the possibility of error. Still, in 2020, the most plays (99.1 percent) were officiated on the field without instant replay review. Even on the toughest, most controversial calls that were elevated to instant replay review, an official’s initial ruling on the field is confirmed nearly two-thirds of the time. Only 40 percent of on-field calls have been overturned since 1999. Confirmed nearly 2/3 of the time. but also "only" overturned 40% of the calls... In my opinion, less of the focus should be on the men and women on the field and more towards leveraging technology and additional personnel (say in studio) to improve both the Accuracy of calls and Timeliness of corrections. Indeed. I made the comment previously that it’s pathetic there are no rules regarding how many and placement of cameras for an NFL game. They can review, have rules for and fine players for uniform violations but not have rules for cameras...ok. And the statement they put out is silly. Good point about the downplay of the high percentage of plays being overturned that they ignored, but that does not include reviewable plays that were not even reviewed because of lack of team challenges or being at the end of a half or teams rushing up to snap before the review can happen. Couple that with calls that are NOT reviewable like roughing the passer, PI, holding, and block in the back and the idea that the refs are doing a good job is ridiculous.
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12-05-2021, 11:37 AM	#36
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,591 Blog Entries: 13	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH I think I've said in a previous thread - the first change I would make is that ALL personal foul/roughing passer/targeting/defenseless receiver/unnecessary roughness plays should be automatically reviewed using video replay. RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

12-05-2021, 11:42 AM	#37
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Maybe it’s the economist in me, but if the stat is that in a small sample of audits, you have a 40% error rate, it generally indicates a massive problem. If this were an accounting audit, there would be jail time. I understand that the game is fast and complicated, but there is technology to assist. VAR is used in professional soccer at any point in the match, and there is a professional crew on and off the field. It actually makes the game better and more satisfying when you can tell if the result was fairly obtained. RailBoss, Rugby Saint II, SaintGnome and 1 others like this.

12-05-2021, 12:19 PM	#38
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Was just thinking about VAR in soccer which is a faster non stop game. It's not perfect but it seems to have cleaned up a lot of missed or incorrect calls.

12-05-2021, 01:40 PM	#39
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,536 Blog Entries: 3	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Eagle Eye in tennis. Although not apples to apples, it's still an example of just how antiquated the NFL is. neugey and Rugby Saint II like this.