THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH

AsylumGuido · 12-06-2021, 05:10 PM

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saintfan · 12-06-2021, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

One of the things that makes me think things are “fixed” is not just that there are various bad calls that all teams must accept. But it’s that a handful of teams seem to get more of these calls go for them than others. A few counter examples exist for every team obviously, but for the most part a handful of teams like the Pats and Packers constantly seem to be on the winning side of these calls and a handful like the Saints are on the losing side. If it was truly incompetent performance by the powers that be then it wouldn’t be so predictable when we see them make these calls for Brady Mahomes, etc in key moments we all know are coming.

It's not just the calls. IF we take a step back we can see even more 'evidence' of the conspiracy. Take Primetime games. 30+ cameras for those games. 12+ is the normal. That's a BIG difference when it comes to instant replay. 'The League' blames the networks. But the NFL could easily require the networks to place 'x' number of cameras and make it standard.

Follow the money in all cases.

Dallas and Philly play the most primetime games of late. That plays out in the percentage of successful challenges Dallas and Philly have had over the last place team...Cleveland.

It ain't about fair play...

Rugby Saint II · 12-07-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

I too am baffled that the NFL doesn't take steps to fix the problem and wonder why. I do think they like the inconstincies as it adds suspense and drama. I would think they would want it cleaned up. I don't believe there is a conspiracy to rig the games for certain teams.

How else could the NFL predetermine the outcome with competent refs? After the gamblers lose a lot of money on bad calls is when the gaming commission will step in and demand changes.

vpheughan · 12-07-2021, 02:58 PM

Just to remind everyone that the NFL has defined itself in court as a Sports Entertainment Business.

dizzle88 · 12-07-2021, 03:37 PM

The 2018 no call proved to me that the NFL has no desire to fix the reffing issues.

To have a no call that egregious, in possibly the biggest moment of the season and for the NFL to basically say "ref messed up, sorry" proved they really don't care.

Vinovich and that crew should have lost their jobs that day.

That might be what made me stop buying gamepass, just the thought that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your team is, the refs control the outcome.

AsylumGuido · 12-07-2021, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The 2018 no call proved to me that the NFL has no desire to fix the reffing issues.

To have a no call that egregious, in possibly the biggest moment of the season and for the NFL to basically say "ref messed up, sorry" proved they really don't care.

Vinovich and that crew should have lost their jobs that day.

That might be what made me stop buying gamepass, just the thought that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your team is, the refs control the outcome.

The refs have always made those type of horrible judgement plays. The difference is that today we have social media and instant replay and virtually every game on a national feed of sorts.

saintfan · 12-07-2021, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The 2018 no call proved to me that the NFL has no desire to fix the reffing issues.

To have a no call that egregious, in possibly the biggest moment of the season and for the NFL to basically say "ref messed up, sorry" proved they really don't care.

Vinovich and that crew should have lost their jobs that day.

That might be what made me stop buying gamepass, just the thought that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your team is, the refs control the outcome.

And idiots call it a "judgement" call. There was nothing to "judge", and that's the problem. Right out of thin air.

AsylumGuido · 12-08-2021, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

And idiots call it a "judgement" call. There was nothing to "judge", and that's the problem. Right out of thin air.

Idiots don't realize that the blindside block penalty is absolutely a "judgement" call, just as are pass interference calls. The official bases his call on what he feels is the positioning of the blocker (ie. he uses his judgement). The definition:

“It is a foul if a player initiates a block when his path is toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder.”

This applies only when the contact happens outside of the tackle box. There is no foul if the contact happens within the box.

The problem with both the blindside call and the PI "no call" was faulty judgement by the officials, bordering on incompetence.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by Boston Saint One of the things that makes me think things are “fixed” is not just that there are various bad calls that all teams must accept. But it’s that a handful of teams seem to get more of these calls go for them than others. A few counter examples exist for every team obviously, but for the most part a handful of teams like the Pats and Packers constantly seem to be on the winning side of these calls and a handful like the Saints are on the losing side. If it was truly incompetent performance by the powers that be then it wouldn’t be so predictable when we see them make these calls for Brady Mahomes, etc in key moments we all know are coming. It's not just the calls. IF we take a step back we can see even more 'evidence' of the conspiracy. Take Primetime games. 30+ cameras for those games. 12+ is the normal. That's a BIG difference when it comes to instant replay. 'The League' blames the networks. But the NFL could easily require the networks to place 'x' number of cameras and make it standard. Follow the money in all cases. Dallas and Philly play the most primetime games of late. That plays out in the percentage of successful challenges Dallas and Philly have had over the last place team...Cleveland. It ain't about fair play... neugey, K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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12-07-2021, 01:01 PM	#43
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,812	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by vtiger72 I too am baffled that the NFL doesn't take steps to fix the problem and wonder why. I do think they like the inconstincies as it adds suspense and drama. I would think they would want it cleaned up. I don't believe there is a conspiracy to rig the games for certain teams. How else could the NFL predetermine the outcome with competent refs? After the gamblers lose a lot of money on bad calls is when the gaming commission will step in and demand changes. Boston Saint likes this.

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12-07-2021, 03:37 PM	#45
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,645	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by dizzle88 The 2018 no call proved to me that the NFL has no desire to fix the reffing issues. To have a no call that egregious, in possibly the biggest moment of the season and for the NFL to basically say "ref messed up, sorry" proved they really don't care. Vinovich and that crew should have lost their jobs that day. That might be what made me stop buying gamepass, just the thought that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your team is, the refs control the outcome. The refs have always made those type of horrible judgement plays. The difference is that today we have social media and instant replay and virtually every game on a national feed of sorts.

12-07-2021, 05:52 PM	#47
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by dizzle88 The 2018 no call proved to me that the NFL has no desire to fix the reffing issues. To have a no call that egregious, in possibly the biggest moment of the season and for the NFL to basically say "ref messed up, sorry" proved they really don't care. Vinovich and that crew should have lost their jobs that day. That might be what made me stop buying gamepass, just the thought that it doesn't matter how good or how bad your team is, the refs control the outcome. And idiots call it a "judgement" call. There was nothing to "judge", and that's the problem. Right out of thin air. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

12-08-2021, 08:41 AM	#48
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,645	Re: THAT "BLINDSIDE BLOCK" CALL THOUGH Originally Posted by saintfan And idiots call it a "judgement" call. There was nothing to "judge", and that's the problem. Right out of thin air. Idiots don't realize that the blindside block penalty is absolutely a "judgement" call, just as are pass interference calls. The official bases his call on what he feels is the positioning of the blocker (ie. he uses his judgement). The definition: “It is a foul if a player initiates a block when his path is toward or parallel to his own end line and makes forcible contact to his opponent with his helmet, forearm, or shoulder.” This applies only when the contact happens outside of the tackle box. There is no foul if the contact happens within the box. The problem with both the blindside call and the PI "no call" was faulty judgement by the officials, bordering on incompetence.
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