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jeanpierre 12-13-2021 12:47 AM
Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 938344)
If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.
We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves...

TheOak 12-13-2021 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 938347)
We can't beat ourselves by trying to outsmart ourselves...
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 938344)
If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.
I am sooooo confused after reading these two comments.

AsylumGuido 12-13-2021 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 938344)
If we could play 17 games against teams tanking for draft picks, we could be 17-0. Our problem now is teams that are trying to beat us.
I'm pretty confident there's not a team in the NFL that is truly tanking. That is purely a fan concept. There are jobs and careers on the line with all 32 teams for everyone from the GM down through the last player on the practice squad. That includes every coach from head coach down through quality control assistants. I have heard this explained time and time again by former and active players, coaches, and GM's.

Here's a good article from 2014 that echoes this philosophy.

Why NFL Teams Don't Tank for a Better Draft Position

There are many others out there, as well.

Here's one by the former player, Geoff Schwartz.

Ask a former NFL player: Is tanking for a draft pick a myth or reality?

neugey 12-13-2021 10:39 AM
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Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.

AsylumGuido 12-13-2021 10:55 AM
Re: Observations for the Saints' Road Win vs Jets
 
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 938351)
Looking back on our 3-13 seasons of the 90's, I don't think it ever felt like we were really tanking. We were just as dysfunctional at the upper levels back then as the Jets are now.

Wilson appears to be in over his head and you should be starting Flacco or White if you wanted to win. Then again, the Golden State Warriors lost a lot of games with Steph Curry, Klay and Draymon before they found their groove and could be perceived to have been tanking in their first 2 years. It's always a blurry topic.
Yeah. Playing developmental players and evaluation at the end of a season is not tanking (ie. intentionally trying to lose for a draft pick). Every player and coach are doing the very best they can to win every game, and quite often they do to their disillusioned fans' chagrin.

iceshack149 12-13-2021 11:19 AM
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iceshack149 12-13-2021 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 938340)
If we could just get healthy. No one would want us in playoffs.

I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs!:couch:

AsylumGuido 12-13-2021 01:23 PM
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I'm not sure that I want to see us in the playoffs!:couch:
Why not? :confused:

Rugby Saint II 12-13-2021 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 938357)
Why not? :confused:
I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year.

AsylumGuido 12-13-2021 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 938359)
I try to avoid being embarrassed. Unfortunately, this just isn't our year.
It's not over yet. And I never get embarrassed by my Saints. There's nothing shameful about being decimated by injuries. Had we gone through the season unscathed we'd easily have the best record in the NFL right now.


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