Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others

dizzle88 · 12-19-2021, 08:12 PM

It's kind of bittersweet with the reffing situation.

Horrible that it's getting worse, but so many told us to get over the 2018 no call, that now a bunch of people are getting their own taste of it.

jeanpierre · 12-21-2021, 12:04 PM

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vpheughan · 12-21-2021, 12:33 PM

Worst No Call In NFL History | Saints vs Rams | 2019 NFC Championship Game after that it's all "influenced" Prove me wrong!

saintfan · 12-21-2021, 12:41 PM

Just enough, sometimes, to affect a game. It can be very subtle. They don't do it all the time. Just enough...

And of course we know it can be so glaring and also so arbitrary...it's really hard to catch a good cheat.

If a ref can call holding on any given play, and that's pretty much true, then what dictates whether or not they throw the flag?

Tellin' me it has to be obvious? Nope. Has to affect the play? Nope. Pure discretion by the official I suppose?

The refs themselves will tell you they call what they are told to call. That's why there's so little focus after a game on stupid calls because everybody knows the result...you run into a NFL firewall. Why would the NFL hold them to account? They're doing exactly what they're told. Maybe it hisses off coaches, players, and the paying customers, but keep your thoughts to yourselves else you get fined, suspended, or even banned.

iceshack149 · 12-21-2021, 01:53 PM

More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl.

saintfan · 12-21-2021, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl.

I'm just not convinced it's "bad officiating". NFL Officials are actually, well, it's amazing how good they are. Its amazing how many times instant replay shows they got it right.

You can't review the calls their making - the ones we're complaining about, along with the coaches and players.

Boston Saint · 12-21-2021, 02:02 PM

When I present the idea of the games being “rigged“ it doesn’t mean that the outcome of every game is predetermined. it’s more the idea that, when in doubt, the league will give a handful of teams a break on calls while they give a different handful of teams the short end of the stick. That block in the back call against Dallas was an example. So was the roughing the passer against the Titans. That’s my thoughts on it.

vpheughan · 12-21-2021, 02:15 PM

Why no taunting on CG after the game ending INT against TOMMY BOY? Why no Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the same player for telling the Saints Head Coach "To go f**ck yourself"? The officials know they "Have The Power" Look at linebacker Cassius Marsh "Taunting" the bench then "Hip Checked" by the Ref? Saints aren't going anywhere, Ref's know it. Sure, let'em feel good for a night!!! TOMMY BOY will have them back in his court for the rest of "The Run"

Rugby Saint II · 12-21-2021, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm just not convinced it's "bad officiating". NFL Officials are actually, well, it's amazing how good they are. Its amazing how many times instant replay shows they got it right.

You can't review the calls their making - the ones we're complaining about, along with the coaches and players.

Originally Posted by iceshack149

More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl.

That is the exact reason why I don't watch NFL football anymore except for the Saints. Well, that and all the political stances from the players made it impossible to stomach.

Oh, and anyone who thinks the refs do a good job never refereed a game in their life. I refereed for 40 years and know that proper training will make incompetent refs better. With more training they get better each time if they have a ref coach. I'm a rugby referee coach as well so I know how to fix individual issues.

jeanpierre · 12-23-2021, 02:15 PM

12-19-2021, 08:12 PM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others It's kind of bittersweet with the reffing situation. Horrible that it's getting worse, but so many told us to get over the 2018 no call, that now a bunch of people are getting their own taste of it. saintfan, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

12-21-2021, 12:04 PM	#12
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12-21-2021, 12:33 PM	#13
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others Worst No Call In NFL History \| Saints vs Rams \| 2019 NFC Championship Game after that it's all "influenced" Prove me wrong!
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12-21-2021, 12:41 PM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others Just enough, sometimes, to affect a game. It can be very subtle. They don't do it all the time. Just enough... And of course we know it can be so glaring and also so arbitrary...it's really hard to catch a good cheat. If a ref can call holding on any given play, and that's pretty much true, then what dictates whether or not they throw the flag? Tellin' me it has to be obvious? Nope. Has to affect the play? Nope. Pure discretion by the official I suppose? The refs themselves will tell you they call what they are told to call. That's why there's so little focus after a game on stupid calls because everybody knows the result...you run into a NFL firewall. Why would the NFL hold them to account? They're doing exactly what they're told. Maybe it hisses off coaches, players, and the paying customers, but keep your thoughts to yourselves else you get fined, suspended, or even banned. iceshack149, jeanpierre and Boston Saint like this.
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12-21-2021, 01:53 PM	#15
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl. saintfan, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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12-21-2021, 01:56 PM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others Originally Posted by iceshack149 More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl. I'm just not convinced it's "bad officiating". NFL Officials are actually, well, it's amazing how good they are. Its amazing how many times instant replay shows they got it right. You can't review the calls their making - the ones we're complaining about, along with the coaches and players. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

12-21-2021, 02:02 PM	#17
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others When I present the idea of the games being “rigged“ it doesn’t mean that the outcome of every game is predetermined. it’s more the idea that, when in doubt, the league will give a handful of teams a break on calls while they give a different handful of teams the short end of the stick. That block in the back call against Dallas was an example. So was the roughing the passer against the Titans. That’s my thoughts on it. jeanpierre likes this.

12-21-2021, 02:15 PM	#18
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others Why no taunting on CG after the game ending INT against TOMMY BOY? Why no Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the same player for telling the Saints Head Coach "To go f**ck yourself"? The officials know they "Have The Power" Look at linebacker Cassius Marsh "Taunting" the bench then "Hip Checked" by the Ref? Saints aren't going anywhere, Ref's know it. Sure, let'em feel good for a night!!! TOMMY BOY will have them back in his court for the rest of "The Run" iceshack149, K Major and Boston Saint like this.
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12-21-2021, 03:54 PM	#19
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Some Teams Are More Favoured Than Others Originally Posted by saintfan I'm just not convinced it's "bad officiating". NFL Officials are actually, well, it's amazing how good they are. Its amazing how many times instant replay shows they got it right. You can't review the calls their making - the ones we're complaining about, along with the coaches and players. Originally Posted by iceshack149 More recently, the block in the back call on the Saints FB when Hill just threw for a 1st down killed the drive and effectively the game. It's the obvious bad officiating that makes many of us want to give up on the NFL since our favorite team is subject to the shady stuff that prevents them from advancing to the Superbowl. That is the exact reason why I don't watch NFL football anymore except for the Saints. Well, that and all the political stances from the players made it impossible to stomach. Oh, and anyone who thinks the refs do a good job never refereed a game in their life. I refereed for 40 years and know that proper training will make incompetent refs better. With more training they get better each time if they have a ref coach. I'm a rugby referee coach as well so I know how to fix individual issues. jeanpierre likes this.
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