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Sinner 12-27-2021 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by keithday123 (Post 939848)
Far from the ugliest Saints game ever. There was a time that offense was this bad as well as defense. I have been hesitant all year about claiming how good this defense is but tonight it’s clear this is a playoff caliber defense that just had no help on the other side tonight. It’s not over yet this team still has a small chance to get to the tournament and I for one want to see them there. We see with the NFL ridiculous Covid rules that a game can turn quickly. How about Saints in Dallas round 1 and 2-3 days before the game Dallas is hit with the same situation. This is a year you just never know and definitely a year you just need to get there and see what happens. Yes this ugly but you keep chugging forward and hope for the best.
UGLY THOUGH. UG-LY.

keithday123 12-27-2021 10:20 PM
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No argument here.

K Major 12-27-2021 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 939847)
Ruiz needs to be gone.
A liability
Glad it isn't just me who sees this. He's been very underwhelming all season. I know it's only year 2 but I've never been impressed.

He's a human turnstile at guard & approaching bust material for me.

Rell&Gold 12-27-2021 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939772)
Of course but you better not ignore the WR/TE position in 2022.

Undrafted, 7th round guys can't help.

No one knows what type of player we'll get from Michael Thomas next season.
you dont know what type of player we will get from any of the draft picks too MT is WAaaaay more for sure than ANY rookie coming out. Humphrey and Callaway are good wr the Oline is the BIGGEST issue followed by WR then DT. Payton doesnt trust young guys vs vets hes going to go with a vet every time it takes him a little longer to trust younger players that why we still have Trequan or Kenny Stills or Ted GInn when we had him. WR corp isnt as bad as many make it out to seem def could use some upgrades tho

saintfan 12-27-2021 10:26 PM
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We've got a LOT of work to do on the Offense. Injuries, Covid, blah blah.

Going to be an interesting off season. At least it needs to be. Top to bottom, left tackle to right, WR, TE, QB. We're a mess.

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 939852)
you dont know what type of player we will get from any of the draft picks too MT is WAaaaay more for sure than ANY rookie coming out. Humphrey and Callaway are good wr the Oline is the BIGGEST issue followed by WR then DT. Payton doesnt trust young guys vs vets hes going to go with a vet every time it takes him a little longer to trust younger players that why we still have Trequan or Kenny Stills or Ted GInn when we had him. WR corp isnt as bad as many make it out to seem def could use some upgrades tho
I would agree but tonight having Book in there the whole time and throwing the ball more than running shows he still has that bit of ego that he is the QB whisperer. Maybe if the kid had more time to throw it would have been different, but who knows?

Rell&Gold 12-27-2021 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 939846)
All the QBs have dealt with the same thing…no WRs and an oft-injured oline.

At the end of the day, with all that being equal, Winston had us at competitive. Take it how you want but no other QB in house is an option to start next year.
Jameis is option numero uno

ChrisXVI 12-27-2021 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939851)
Glad it isn't just me who sees this. He's been very underwhelming all season. I know it's only year 2 but I've never been impressed.

He's a human turnstile at guard.
I’ve been very patient with Ruiz, but I am officially 100% finished with him. It’s one thing to lose reps here and there, but he’s constantly allowing free rushers to run right by him like he has no idea what his blocking assignment is. He’s even worse than Peat. At least Peat can get out in space and bulldoze guys when he’s pulling or on a screen. Ruiz is just clueless and weak.

halloween 65 12-27-2021 10:29 PM
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Take away the pick 6 behind a make shift line I thought Book did a fine job surviving the night. No fumbles on the sacks he took tonight , just holding on to the ball was admirable. No wr showed up consistantly other than Calloway. No run game to speak of( make shift O-line). He had no chance. I wouldn't evaluate Book on this game. I would like to see him not holding onto the ball when he could save yds. instead of taking a useless sack, that part is on him but totally correctable.

Rugby Saint II 12-27-2021 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 939849)
UGLY THOUGH. UG-LY.
I have just not been optimistic about the team this year. I've been ore of a realist with an understanding of the team getting under the salary cap in the offseason as well as the talent we lost. We started our season out by running from a Hurricane, playing our first home game on the road, a 6 game suspension for Onyamata, Winston is lost for the season, and injuries have a an impact on the team performance.

However, I can't get over this team's non stop spirit and energy.


The future is so bright I gotta' wear shades. I gotta' wear shades. :cool:

Rell&Gold 12-27-2021 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 939854)
I would agree but tonight having Book in there the whole time and throwing the ball more than running shows he still has that bit of ego that he is the QB whisperer. Maybe if the kid had more time to throw it would have been different, but who knows?
Sound like you did agree or didnt read my full post before responding either way Ian Book looked no worse than Taysom or Trevor and Seans playcalling wasnt the best tonight totally understand the circumstances but it is what it is.

Rugby Saint II 12-27-2021 10:38 PM
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Callaway looked good tonight.

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 939859)
Sound like you did agree or didnt read my full post before responding either way Ian Book looked no worse than Taysom or Trevor and Seans playcalling wasnt the best tonight totally understand the circumstances but it is what it is.
I'm just saying Ian Book is a young guy and seemed like Payton had enough confidence that Payton could make him successful that he didn't think he needed to trust Ingram and Kamara take the game instead of all the pass plays. You're right, though, about all the WR problems this season.

Lord_Saint83 12-27-2021 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 939859)
Sound like you did agree or didnt read my full post before responding either way Ian Book looked no worse than Taysom or Trevor and Seans playcalling wasnt the best tonight totally understand the circumstances but it is what it is.


Sean Payton’s play calling has been predictable and vanilla. Has been for a couple years to be honest

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 10:41 PM
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Gotta give the Dolphins coach some credit for getting his team into seven straight wins.

WhoDat!656 12-27-2021 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 939862)
Sean Payton’s play calling has been predictable and vanilla. Has been for a couple years to be honest
IMO that is because he was handicapped by Brees' inability to throw the deep pass.

keithday123 12-27-2021 10:42 PM
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This was a game where you couldn’t play behind the chains or turn the ball over. The pick 6 was huge even though it occurred early. No question Book cannot be judged on this game with that O-Line. The NFL put the Saints in a terrible situation with this game with there BS Covid rules. Regardless of who was playing tonight any team with 21 players missing should have had opportunity to move game like Cleveland the week before. Don’t be surprised to see games moved this weekend. I don’t necessarily believe the NFL is against the Saints I just believe the NFL has elected to let the government make the decisions for the with these CoVid rules. If your are asymptomatic get out there and play.

voodooido 12-27-2021 10:46 PM
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20 or more people out with Covid protocol, I would expect no less from a fourth round rookie quarterback. Can’t give up on him just yet but it definitely showed he will not be ready anytime soon

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 10:47 PM
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Also half the offensive line probably didn't even know the protections.

Rell&Gold 12-27-2021 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by keithday123 (Post 939865)
This was a game where you couldn’t play behind the chains or turn the ball over. The pick 6 was huge even though it occurred early. No question Book cannot be judged on this game with that O-Line. The NFL put the Saints in a terrible situation with this game with there BS Covid rules. Regardless of who was playing tonight any team with 21 players missing should have had opportunity to move game like Cleveland the week before. Don’t be surprised to see games moved this weekend. I don’t necessarily believe the NFL is against the Saints I just believe the NFL has elected to let the government make the decisions for the with these CoVid rules. If your are asymptomatic get out there and play.
If all of those players were in fact fully vaccinated an Asymptomatic I dont understand why they aren't playing. NFL is definitely agaisnt the Saints then one of the announcers tried to down play 21 players being out with Covid because Indy won with a few players out. I guess your back ups should be first rounders as well

Rell&Gold 12-27-2021 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 939866)
20 or more people out with Covid protocol, I would expect no less from a fourth round rookie quarterback. Can’t give up on him just yet but it definitely showed he will not be ready anytime soon
Did it? Taysom threw FOUR INTS in one of the losses out of 5. None of the QBs had to deal with this level of oline. Book def left some plays on the field, but I dont feel like either Taysom or Trevor are any truly better options. Taysom may have converted some first downs but I dont know if he could have won with this OLine who MISSED on every blitz pick up or damn near

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 939869)
Did it? Taysom threw FOUR INTS in one of the losses out of 5. None of the QBs had to deal with this level of oline. Book def left some plays on the field, but I dont feel like either Taysom or Trevor are any truly better options. Taysom may have converted some first downs but I dont know if he could have won with this OLine who MISSED on every blitz pick up or damn near
My biggest criticism is not throwing the ball away and taking sacks. But also I read all along he is a running QB, and I saw no sign of that tonight.

jnormand 12-27-2021 11:04 PM
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Dude, I like Book. He didn't get a fair shake tonight. I'd like to see what he has and give him the nod the rest of the season.

keithday123 12-27-2021 11:08 PM
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Look I’m not a big fan of Taysom as quarterback but right now he’s your best option because of the threat he brings as a runner. Is he a better passer than book right now, absolutely, but he’s not the answer long term but this years playoff run is not long term it’s two more games and hopefully more. As I said on an earlier post I’ve been watching these guys since the late 70’s and went a long time without a playoff appearance much less a playoff win so I still appreciate just getting there. Any saints football I can get I will take. Just get there baby!!!

Sinner 12-27-2021 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 939871)
Dude, I like Book. He didn't get a fair shake tonight. I'd like to see what he has and give him the nod the rest of the season.
Joe Montana would have looked like Joe Mantegna tonight.

K Major 12-27-2021 11:11 PM
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I'll wait for Coach Payton to watch the tape and give his real assessment on former 1st rounder Cesar Ruiz. I didn't even like him at center.

No sugar coating here but this guy is a trash can offensive lineman. He has no business starting on this line.

WhoDat!656 12-27-2021 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by keithday123 (Post 939865)
This was a game where you couldn’t play behind the chains or turn the ball over. The pick 6 was huge even though it occurred early. No question Book cannot be judged on this game with that O-Line. The NFL put the Saints in a terrible situation with this game with there BS Covid rules. Regardless of who was playing tonight any team with 21 players missing should have had opportunity to move game like Cleveland the week before. Don’t be surprised to see games moved this weekend. I don’t necessarily believe the NFL is against the Saints I just believe the NFL has elected to let the government make the decisions for the with these CoVid rules. If your are asymptomatic get out there and play.
Substitute Dallas/Packers/Patriots for the Saints tonight and the league would have postponed this game so fast it would have made your head spin!

turbo_dog 12-27-2021 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939876)
I'll wait for Coach Payton to watch the tape and give his real assessment on former 1st rounder Cesar Ruiz. I didn't even like him at center.

No sugar coating here but this guy is a trash can offensive lineman. He has no business starting on this line.
I've actually thought Ruiz showed some real promise in the run game when the rest of the line was healthy. The last few games, especially in pass protection, he's REALLY struggled. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

lee909 12-28-2021 12:02 AM
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I'd leave Book in for the next two.
Wasn't fair on him tonight, he was far from perfect and definitely should have thrown the ball away a few times. But his arm looks better than Hill, he also looked far less hesitant to move that Hill often does when in the pocket.

End of the day the playoffs look done, Hill isn't the answer going forward,obviously Trevor isn't either. See what Book has with a proper line. Love Kwon in the team but again I'd be starting Werner. It's all about next year now

vpheughan 12-28-2021 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 939894)
I'd leave Book in for the next two.
Wasn't fair on him tonight, he was far from perfect and definitely should have thrown the ball away a few times. But his arm looks better than Hill, he also looked far less hesitant to move that Hill often does when in the pocket.

End of the day the playoffs look done, Hill isn't the answer going forward,obviously Trevor isn't either. See what Book has with a proper line. Love Kwon in the team but again I'd be starting Werner. It's all about next year now
YEP! Look at the rest of the year as a jump on next year's preseason!

Then sit back and watch closely how the "ENTERTAINMENT" part of a "SPORTS / ENTERTAINMENT" shows it's self.
Controversial no-call seals Cleveland Browns' loss to Green Bay Packers


"Been there, had that done, have the emotional scars to prove it!" 2019 NFCCCG

iceshack149 12-28-2021 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 939660)
Gotta dive on that ball. Not sure who it was but we should’ve had that fumble
I had to go to the Saints website to find out who this knucklehead is. #52 Braxton Hoyett. :biggun:


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