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I don't want to hear one person jumping on Brooks for this one. This was a total team sh*tfest and everyone took a dump on the field.
I can't think of one person on the team who looked good tonight.
Horn and Stallworth looked the best, but they both still made a couple of very costly errors.
Who looked the worst you ask? Who gives a flip. A loss is a loss.
Same old Saints. Great one week. Crappy the next. This is no suprise to me.
As soon as all of this "America's Team" bullcrap ends and they feel like the world is against them they will come out and play hard smart football again.
Look out for next week. Minnesota is not coming out of the gate 0-3. We are about to go 1-2 and you can take that to the bank.

Oh and by the way any praising comments that I had for Jason Craft last week, I now recend.

Also, Kudos to Jim Haslett who managed to pull a trick I have never seen before: Losing two timeouts on one challenge. I didn't even know that was possible. Maybe next week he will try and burn all three of our timeouts on a challenge. Seriously someone needs to take his little red flag away from him at the beginning of the game and run with it. Has he ever won a challenge, ever? I can't remember of one challenge he has ever won.

:bang2:

I will now kill myself.

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This post is not going to stop it. I'm not saying AB doesn't deserve blame, but there are going to be those that put this loss squarely on him. That's unfortunate. He had a bad game, but there were several worse performers out there tonight; the o-line as a group to name one. UGLY from start to finish. Just UGLY.

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So I guess you aren't a "true" Saints fan anymore. You just predicted us losing to the Vikings and just proclaimed our whole team garbage.

Isn't Brooks apart of the team? Does anyone know if quarterbacks are allowed to put a little pinetar on there hands?

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Why am I not a true Saints fan anymore? Because I told the truth about the turd sandwich we laid tonight. I didn't call our team garbage, I said they played like garbage. (There's a subtle difference that only an astute person would pick up on) And yes although I will be rooting for the Saints next week it is my OPINION that they will get waxed by a desperate Vikings team that always wacks us in Minnesota. However, unlike yourself I will not be rooting for any NFC teams other than the Saints this year.

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I'm sorry I just get confused. I haven't ordered a copy of "Stockman311's Guide to being a True Saints fan" yet. If you have a spare copy, please do share. Please if you send me a copy, mark down the page and highlight the key rules that I need to abide by. :roll:

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Will do. However, I don't know if someone as obtuse as yourself speaks the same language that I write in.

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o-line except Jammal Brown was horrible - couldn't run block worth a damn and Bently was the worst out of all of them

Deuce didn't have a burst or vision to avoid their defense.

Brooks was ok til he became Mr. butter finger

Horn was brilliant til he tried to do to much and fumble the ball

Stallworth, this is the best I ever seen him perform but he did cause a interception whenhe tip the ball up

Conwell, I don't know what happen to him. Had a break through game the drop a sure TD(possible game changer)

Defense

Jason Craft, all I can say is cut him and go find J. Williams

Sedrick Hodge need to switch position to free safety

what ever happen to the pass rush? I believe they are so concern on stoping the run cuz our lb suck so bad .

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It all starts on the sidelines when someone decides to get cute on the opening kick off. that was aterrible play to start off and if no one has mentioned it Mcafee really blew it with that fumble. The Beer man might be hurt which goes to show that you can't just keep running out of bounds and think you won't get injured. Take your lumps punk. We will beat the vikings next week...count on it.

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Yeah it doesn't seem like I speak English well. Please send me a copy of Hooked on Phonics also.

Anyone notice Brown has 3 false start penalties for the past 2 weeks?

It's amazing how one week we all praise Conwell and the next week he plays like garbage. We all saw the first down pass he dropped to go along with that touchdown pass he missed. Even his blocking was horrible. Not once did we see Hilton... sigh.

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:computer2:

Please just one for old time ???

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I just looked at the game stats, was not able to watch the game though. It looked like we had some pretty good numbers on passing, the O line must have sucked, Duece did not hit on sh*t, and the D line wasn't hitting on sh*t either. I will not "Bash Brooks", but was he smiling after the INT's and fumble? He has great potential, just doesn't have the heart or loyalty to be the leader of this team. As far as us losing to the Giants......SH*T, SH*T, SH*T, SH*T, SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!! :flush:

:handguns: Way to coach HAZ! Keep it up and you will send us all to an early grave.
:stupid:
Every time they give us hope.......we get a swift kick to the ...... :nutkick:

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Is that on the stats sheet too?

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It would be a lonely sheet , almost seems like a Brooks exclusive ..... :wink:

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This shows EXACTLY what you people can do with stats. "Oh the offense put up GREAT numbers!" They also only scored 10 points. Pathetic.

Lets look at the plays that count.

Fred McAfee fumbles the return.
1) Horrible call by the sidelines.
2) McAfee effed it up. Period.
3) Took the wind out of the Saints team. You also can't blame the Saints defense for giving up points after that because the Giants were so close that they didn't even have a chance to make a first down.

Conwell drops a couple of balls.
1) He has had one good week. We should have known better.
2) That touchdown pass that he dropped, however wasn't totally his fault. The ball was thrown extremely too hard and too high. Remember this is a big bulky tight end. He's not Joe Horn. There's no sense to throw a rocket feet above Conwell's head. Yes, maybe he should have caught it regardless. That still is nearly impossible, though, considering Conwell has a vertical as high as a television remote is thick.

Joe Horn's fumble
1) The guy played outstanding. His fumble came at the end of the game where it was obvious that they had no chance of winning anyways.
2) This play had no change in the outcome of the game.

Offensive Line got dominated
1) Pure and simple. The Giants defense did not give anything up in the running game.
2) However, we did manage to eat the bajeebus out of their backfield.

Brooks
1) How can you call for no bashing when 4 of the 6 turnovers came from him?
2) His first interception was a poor pass. He effed up. Period. No excuse.
3) The pass where he threw the ball over the middle between Horn and Stallworth was dumb. Its an ill-advised pass. If you're getting rushed, throw the ball out of bounds. You NEVER, when rushed, throw the ball over the middle in traffic. You just don't do it. They teach you not to. Poor decision.
4) Brooks fumbled the ball on a potential scoring drive. We were on a roll. Thats 7 points and a crapload of moral boosting that could have inspired a comeback.
5) How in the hell does this continue to be a problem with him? How can he consistently make the same mistake over and over? He's good for one of these every ball game.
6) Brooks interception at the end of the game is pointless. I won't bash him on it because the game was over anyways. He was just throwing it up hoping something would happen.

Saints D
1) Our linebackers are not poor, though they do suck at times. There play against the run wasn't that great, but we still could have won the ball game.
2) Craft is horrible. He got exploited.
3) We should be rushing the heck out of the quarterback. However, we can't blitz because our corners are so succeptable. McKenzie is all we have.
4) Since its obvious that Venturi will not get booted, someone needs to slip something in his drink.
5) Its still, at times, hard to fault the defense considering the Saints' offense gives them the ball in such outstanding field position.

Special Teams
1) Christ! Teach these guys how to block without doing it illegally.



How in the hell can you gain a bajillion yards in offense and only score 10 points?
Easy.
6 Turnovers
4/6 Turnovers came from the quarterback.
Don't tell me I can't bash him.

There is only one person in this league that can throw for nearly 400 yards in a game and still burdon his offense to score only 10 points. There is only one person that can put up star-like numbers, yet play the game like a total bafoon.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Unforced Errors = Drive Killers = Moral Depleters. When the team is marching down the field like an army and about to cash in, Aaron Brooks takes it upon himself to fumble the ball with no cause. It kills the drive and takes the wind completely out of the team's sales.

The only stats that truely matter are points. I want to see scores.
And before you say "our defense played horrible because they gave up 27 points," think about the field position of their first down play on that drive.

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I don't think the game could have been much worse. Every negative thing that could have happened did. The offense looked good somtimes. AB was throwing some lazor's in there. The WR's did ok. Horn and Stallworth looked really good. Where is the damn rushing attack? Second week in a row that Deuce can't get going. You can't say the defense of Carolina AND NEW YORK was that good....can you? Aren't we supposed to have one of the "best" offensive lines in the NFL? That's what I've read and heard. Well, the pass protection is improving, but the run blocking is not what it should be. The defense didn't even get to Manning. What happened to the pass rush? What happened to Smith, Grant and Howard? Where are the sacks? Don't even get me started about the penalties.

Personlly, I believe the Saints are much better than what they played today. It was a bad game. A really bad one, no doubt. This team cut themselves all night long. The Saints lost this game...New York didn't win it.

Despite the poor showing, I still think this team is going to be good this year. The offense showed how great it can really be. The defense showed that it can stop the run when it needs to. I'm not worried. If the Saints play the Vikings like they played the Giants, then I'll flush the season down the camode. Right now, I think this team is still very capable of winning some games this year. They need to put it all together and work on keeping penalties to a minimum.

Hey guys, this was a bad week for almost every team that was a winner last week, ie...New England, Indianapolis, San Fran, Atlanta, Detroit....the list goes on.

I haven't lost hope on the season, I urge you guys to remain optimistic...at least until after we see the results of the Minnisota game. They'll bounce back...if they don't....well, I guess there will be a lot of bi@tching on this board.

Isn't this a form of triangle?? Hehehehehhehehehe.

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I think OldiesDJ pretty much covered everything.

Goodjob db... I guess my day started out with a smile. :P

brooks got a slap on the back and a good game last week from everyone on the board. he gets a big- GO F URSLEF ARRON- this week. he was terrible

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[quote="stockman311"]I don't want to hear one person jumping on Brooks for this one. Haslett.....I can't remember of one challenge he has ever won.
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First, where do you get off telling other people to not bash Aaron Brooks. Is this his Mom? He couldn't play third-string high school football. His 27 of 45, 3 INT, and one fumble. Killed any shot at winning the game even with the other crappy play on the field. The point is that more often than not, he is responsible for the problems. Besides the center, Brooks is the only on offense, who touches the ball on every play, 1st - 3rd down.

And, as far as, Haslett and challenging plays, he did "protest" to have the punt at the end of the 2nd Quarter reviewed and it seemed to help. It was reversed and the Saints won the challenge.

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LOL.

You can't try to rip someone for being dumb and use a word like "obtuse," which you probably learned from watching the Shawshank Redemption, and then end the sentence with a preposition. LOL.

I don't know if someone as obtuse as YOU speaks the same language IN WHICH I write.

Got it? LOL

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[quote="mjf150"]Where do I get off? Hmm... Let me think.... Probably the First Ammendment for starters. Next, would be the fact that this is a message board where people congregate to voice opinions about the Saints and it's players. If you don't like the point I was trying to make that the entire team was at fault for the crapfest we witnessed then I really don't care.
Bash Brooks all you want. He sucked last night. He's the worst quarterback in history. You happy now.

Also, Who dat, I was having an A/B debate with papz blue ribbon. If you want to wax poetic about the nuances of the English language I can direct you to a great site where your cornhole will be most unprotected (the way you like it I am sure).
Now go get your shinebox.

:lol:

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Dang stocky..........Goodfellas?
Who dat......DC Cab?
Movie quotes for the dense.

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He threw the ball over the middle. It was an ill advised pass in the situation he was in. You don't throw over the middle in a cluster of people and hope something good happens. Even if the wide receivers messed up their routes, you throw the ball out of bounds.

So, you just admitted the pass to Conwell was in double coverage. He threw the ball to a tight-end with barely any verticle covered by two Giant defenders infront of him. Granted he got it through the defense, it was thrown too hard for brick hands Conwell to catch it.

The fumble was Brooks' fault. If you watched the play, you clearly see Brooks pull out before the ball got to his hands. He was nervous and he jumped too soon. It was a lack of composure that led him to make the mistake.

The missed field goal from Carney is arguable. I do believe the game was over before he missed it, though. Thats just my opinion.

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No doubt the Saints can come back and should have a good season. But we should have one that game. Joe horn was miked up for the game and we heard him say that we gave the Giants the game. Joe said we handed it to them on a platter and they ate it up.

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I don't buy that. If you have a strong enough arm to be the double coverage and put it on the money then the receiver (or person catching the ball) needs to get that. Conwell is a tight end in the NFL. He needs to catch a ball that hit him dead in the hands. It hit him in the hands for christ sake and he blew it. I'm not saying Brooks doesn't deserve to be roasted here, cause he deserves it today I'm just saying he didn't show up at the poo poo party by himself.

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The fact is the Saints loss and Aaron Brooks is a huge part of the reason for their defeat. I don't care what kind of excuses you make for this guy. This was a team effort, but Brooks blew this game way more than any other player did. Out of all the bad plays, his name appears the most.

If you're satisfied with this guy as our quarterback, then you must be living an extremely pleasurable life. You're apparently happy with mediocre, and at times sub-par performances. I can see exactly why you're a fan of this team.

I, on the other hand, want a change. I want a positive one. My desire is for the Saints to win the SuperBowl. Brooks hurts this team and is making their run at the big show an extremely difficult one.

What do I suggest? I suggest we get a quarterback who doesn't lose the game for us. He doesn't have to win the game. He doesn't have to be incredibly talented, throw hard, or run fast. I just want a quarterback thats going to protect the ball and will NOT be the reason why our team fails. I don't care about big numbers or pro-bowl calliber stats. I want a smart quarterback who may not make genius plays, but doesn't make idiotic ones. I want a quarterback who has a strong grip on the football. I want a quarterback who can read defences and run through his progression. I want a quarterback who isn't known as a consistent drive killer.

How can anyone defend Aaron Brooks at this point? There was a play last night where he threw the ball to a receiver who happened to be covered by 4 defensive players. 4. Granted, I'm not the football genius, but if 4 defenders are on one receiver, shouldn't there be another receiver or two streaking wide open down field? What the hell?

No other team in the NFL would have kept Aaron Brooks as their starting quarterback as long as we have. I'm sorry. I don't care what any of you say anymore. Yes, he had a good game last week. He also had an atrocious game last night.

Whatever, though. Why is it that an incredibly low percentage of fantasy football players around the country never draft Brooks? Nearly everyone who drafts Brooks for his fantasy team is a Saints' fan. I admit, though, in fantasy football Brooks does decent. That can largely be attributed to the fact that there are no "drive/morale killer" statistics to go by.

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And that ends that. Well played Oldies, well played. :clap:

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The fact that Sean Salisbury is your back-up, kills your whole argument. And you have used it like 14 times already, find a new one. It sucked the fist time you used it, and hasn't gotten better.

During the game in the FIRST QUARTER, the announcers kept saying how good Brooks looked. They also said to a man, "I have NEVER seen him play this well." Never. He has been out starter what, 5 years? That was in the first quarter. Stop trying to make it seem like they pumped him up the whole game, cause when the mistakes started, they stopped singing that tune. As a matter of fact, they went to pointing out how many guys were in coverage around the passes Brooks was throwing. The second guy, Paul I think it is, counted as many as 4 defenders around several of Brooks' incompletions. But so what? Is it ruining your life everyone doesn't think Brooks is as great as you? We are two games in to the 5th year of his mediocrity, it ain't changing. He will have damn good games, and he will help cost us some. That's Brooks. You may be satisfied with that, but others aren't. Calling people pond scum and insulting their intelligence only makes your argument that much poorer. Go troll somewhere else.

LMAO!! This is a flat out lie. I was at the Saints Cowboys game last year, and BEFORE that game, which was what, 8-10 months ago now, they were suffering through Chad Hutchinson and Quincy and Tony Banks and at the current time Vinny Testaverde. And as I was sitting in the seats, with my homeboy who is a Cowboys fan, I heard them say " I wish we had a QB like Aaron Brooks. He puts up great stats." Kinda like what we hear here as the only Brooks defense. After halftime, to a man, even my buddy, they had changed their minds. Most only wne toff of stats and hadn't seen him play. I said this very same thing last year right after the game. As a matter of fact, I will go to a large gathering of Cowboys fans and post right now a poll asking if they want AB. If you are gonna make something up, make sure noone is near an area that can disprove what you are saying.

Second, your attempt at deflection is lame. NOONE said Brooks is THE reason we lost, EVERYONE who is not blinded by him has said he is one of the reasons. You refuse to even say that. How sad for you. He made the same mistakes he has made forever, and some are tired of it. Big woop. Why are you knocking yourself out trying to prove this mediocre guy is some superhero? You are like the guy who ALWAYS has to take the most random character on any popular movie or show and make it seem like they carry the cast. Like if someone said, man Vader and Skywalker were awesome in the early Star Wars, you would be like "Yeah, but it would have been nothing without Chewbacca," or something to that effect. Or Seinfeld was one of the greatest comedies of our time, and you would say, "well without Jackie Childs, they would never have made it that far." We get it already. You love Brooks and he gets NO BLAME for anything having to do with a loss for the team, but all credit for anything having to do with a win. Trust me, we get the picture. There is no need to make stuff up, call people names, be rude, and question people's intelligence cause Brooks doesn't butter our buscuits.

This is getting pathetic. The people who think Brooks plays great are the ones that can't give you 3 basic fundementals of being a quarterback. They know nothing about the position.

And with that, Oldies gives me no need to even go on with this. We'll talk after we finish 8-8 again.

Actually, I am 5'5" and I weigh 130lbs. I am too small to play football at the college level. I never played football in high school because our school did not have enough people to make a team. However, I did play linebacker a couple years in little league and I can tell you that I exploited the hell out of quarterbacks. I knew when they made mistakes and I made them pay for it. I had atleast 2 or 3 sacks a game. Unfortunately, I am no Sam Mills. Besides, Sam Mills was still taller than me.

Also, I am not old enough to coach and have no experience with it because there was no team for my high school. However, if I so choose, I could change my major while I'm attending college and pursue the career. You know, maybe I will do that after I receive my broadcasting degree.

Others that have played the position?

How can you say that I do not know what I'm talking about. I've posted countless posts about pocket protection and other quarterback fundementals that are really, flat out, basic. No one has ever disputed them, yet Brooks continues to screw those fundementals up. Where did I learn them? Hell, I've been learning football since I've been five years old. Thats right, learning..not only watching.

When sports center shows a play and draws all over the television screen, slow motions it, reverses it, plays it over and over again, and talks about fundementals such as a quarterback keeping square, I pay attention. My little league coaches were teaching our quarterbacks these things since day 1. Brooks should have learned these things in little league.

And you know what? I really can't think of any other place I gathered this information from. I just know football. Its common knowledge to me.

I've seen fundementally sound quarterbacks and I've seen backyard ballers. I prefer fundementally sound quarterbacks over Aaron Brooks anyday.

Fundementally Sound QBs:
Peyton Manning
Donovon McNabb (at times)
Tom Brady
Eli Manning
-These tend to be the guys that stick around the league for decades because teams love veterans on their roster who won't lose the game for them.

Backyard Ballers:
Aaron Brooks
Bret Favre
Michael Vick
Quincy Carter

-These are guys who make big splashes early on in their careers then dissipate quickly. They're athletically advanced compared to the rest of the field. They loose their prime early. They tend to be extremely controversial characters.