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We won!

Taysom is done for the year... Maybe as a Saint?

Awaiting outcome of OT Whiners/Lambs game for playoffs spot.

Crazy year this is.

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$23 million of glass.

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Better draft pick it is ...

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**** a draft pick. Who cares about ****ing draft picks?

Back to your regular programming.

;)

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-The pro football season is over for me.
-Proud of everyone involved with the Saints.
-Roll Tide!
-Come on golf weather.

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Just when Taysom was starting to look real good for a minute... Defense was on fire for a minute... Rams were up for a minute or a half... Oh well, freaking season needs to not let the door hit it in the azz

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Looks like we’ll have pick 17.

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-I'm proud of our team, after the 5 game losing streak they could have just mailed it in but they did the opposite and fought their asses off to the very end.
- Cam Jordan owns Matt Ryan and I love it.
- trust me the rest of the NFL is breathing easier with our Defense and Kamara out of the dance.
- Siemian played very well WITH AN OFFENSIVE LINE.
-I said it before and I'll say it again Ryan and Stafford are broken.
- SP won't but should get CoY for the mountain of adversity.

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I’m concerned about the Taysom Hill injury. His career could be over.

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I hate the Rams so much. They still **** us when they aren't even playing us. **** you Rams and **** you Los Angelos!

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Me too, he did not recover easily recover from his last concussion.

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Yep.

His body language was off. You could tell something wasn't right.

Hope he'll be ok.

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Taysom Hill was never our future. He simply gave us the best chance to win after Winston went down. Although, we were even able to win with Siemian, so ...

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Them and the Vikings both. Vikings vs. Rams is my meteor game. With Roger Goodell in attendance.

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This right here.

Gotta get that O-line right for next season.

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We know this now as opposed to before the season started. And those that say they knew before were just guessing.

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Unless you're Guido. He uses magic sparkles to tell the future. 17-0 baby...

:banana:

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So what?

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One observation, Sean Payton can coach a team without Brees.
With all the adversity of this season he still got us to 9-8 and 2nd place in the division.
Not to mention almost a wildcard game with a patched up team and unbelievable setbacks.
And honestly I believe we could have beat the Rams and moved on from there.
I still say taking out Matty Ice and the rest of King Arthur's Merry Men is what I will remember of this year.
And one more thing beating the SB Bucs and Tommy Terrific twice..
And we did it without OBJ, Antonio or even Jake Verity..

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The trouble is that we are in cap hell again and pissing away 23 million more guaranteed on Taysom Hurt makes it harder to dig out. I believe his salary next year is guaranteed and the following year is guaranteed for injury plus guaranteed if he is on the roster 3 days into next season so the only way to avoid paying his 2023 salary is if he heals fast and then cut him and pay him $10 million for nothing next year. We are going to have to let someone like Lattimore or Ram or CGJ walk due to Taysoms salary.

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Lattimore and Ram are signed not sure the rest of the stated numbers are entirely accurate. I’m sure there will be a couple of players that we would prefer to keep but will be released. I don’t see this sky is falling talking point being realivant … read Nick Underwood’s latest peace. Last year at this time talking heads along with some on this site were sure we have to gut the team and would not contend.

Be Happy don’t worry ML has a plan 😆 :bng:

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Some big contracts fixing to come up with other players we want to keep on the team. Yeah... ML has managed to juggle them all. :bng:

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Think about this:

The Saints had to gut their roster, shaving $111 million to fit under the NFL’s reduced salary cap, then could barely afford to add reinforcements in free agency. The team had to evacuate for Hurricane Ida in August and spend the first month of the season living in Dallas, while playing their first “home game” in Jacksonville against the Green Bay Packers (which the Saints won 38-3).

Superstar receiver Michael Thomas and kicker Wil Lutz were among those who never played a down this season because of injuries. Then, after the Saints got off to an unlikely 5-2 start, quarterback Jameis Winston suffered a season-ending ACL tear in Week 8.
The Saints have used four different starting quarterbacks and 10 different starting O-line combinations. And that total of 58 offensive and defensive starters doesn’t even include the four kickers they’ve used.

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I could not have said it any better. Beautiful.

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My worry is if gutting our roster once took us from 12-4 to 9-8 what does gutting it again do? And if we both gut and push obligations forward like we did last year, do we end up 6-11 and in cap hell in the 2023 offseason with $50 million each cap hit if we want to cut Peat or Hill due to 2022 restructuring to contracts with 10 voidable years and salaries converted to signing bonuses. I think we need to accept rebuilding because while we went from winning a top seed to marginally contending, creative solutions to cap hell never make things better.

What the offseason could look like is we lose armstead, winston, ingram, roby, and one of the safeties, sign no starting caliber additions, and have to extend Peat to 2032 to achieve a 2022 cap savings.

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now that's funny right there...

:banana:

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What drove our 9-8 season was suspensions displacement COVID and injuries to every unit of this team … not gutting and pushing money down the road. We made some hard choices but we did not gut this team last offseason. Nor did pushing money down the road. Kinda like many companies that work and budget on projects cash flow. Let be realistic and acknowledge that it would have been very hard for any team to have played any better than the Saints did this year with the extent of injury to starters and rotational players.

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Exactly. Nor do they have to do any "gutting" to move forward. Nick Underwood has shared his breakdown on how the Saints can stay within the 2022 and future caps without losing any existing players a number of times recently. We are very close to having a championship quality roster as it stands right now. The issue is that much of that roster happens to have ended, or started, the year on Injured Reserve. It shows the quality of depth the Saints currently have given their winning record while starting 58 different offensive and defensive players during the season. No rebuild is necessary and would be counterproductive. The team is only a few tweaks, and a little fortune, away from winning another Lombardi.

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Like many here I’m old enough to remember the Saints’ NFC West days. During those times I hated the Niners and Rams more so than even the Falcons because of the California preferential treatment they got from the media. The many years I spent in the Bay Area watching them win SBs only made my hate grow to white-hot intensity levels for the niners. The no-call PI did the same for my hatred of the lambs.

So after this weekend I am torn between weather I hate the rams more for laying down like the dogs they are or the niners for showing just enough guts to pull out a BS win.

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It was some minute though.

If only it had been concussion this time.

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Seriously it's gotta be the Rams...

and Nickell Earl Robey-Coleman plays for the Lions so he lives the curse everyday.

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So being the most over the cap, 62 million, when the next to closest teams and 40 and 13 million over and won their divisions despite themselves having many covid and injury issues, positions us well to improve against teams that have more resources and are already better? And we didnt gut the roster? So our depth at receiver is great? Injuries are not luck, they are made, and our tendency to extend injured players in order to push cap hits down the road and create an excuse not to cut them (we cant because we just signed a deal that makes cutting them cost 50 million) just means we guarantee more ‘bad luck’ in the future.

My top move this offseason would be to cut Michael Thomas post-june-1 and save $16 million. My dream would be to see him on the sideline in a falcons uniform next year fighting calvin ridley and posting cryptic tweets.

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Some of your points are valid Bako. But, judging from this and other posts of yours, you seem to hold the saints front office to blame ,so to speak, for doing what it takes in winning the division multiple years in a row, having multiple double digit winning season, and coming very close to a second SB. Kinda reminds of of something my Pop said yesterday, “I’m disappointed that Payton wasn’t more prepared at the QB position”. The expectation that he had about how the Saints should have 4 good QBs on the team was mind boggling to me. You are doing a bit of that yourself IMO.

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I think we made the wrong call at QB. As a 'running' team, which is clearly what Coach had in mind, Hill would be the better choice.

Personally, I think Coach was bout the take the cuffs off Jameis and open things up a little bit, and I think the delay was largely due to the fact that through our first 7 games nobody stepped up at the WR position in any meaningful way - we were just plain bad as a passing offense regardless of who was under center. As we know, our overrated line got Jameis killed, and the rest is history.

Hard to 'blame' anyone really. Life after Drew was not going to be easy, but to misjudge our WR room so grossly is where I'm scratching my head. The only thing I can conclude is that coach new we were deficient there but had no choice but to try and sell it.

Best coaching I've ever seen really. Next season will be another exciting one. One thing is for sure: We need playmakers on offense, and if we don't get one we are going to get Kamara killed.

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Glad you're not making moves!

:D

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A bad a$$ TE would help alot. I think they figure out the wr in FA and draft after watching film on them, Coleman is a keeper but I also wouldn't mind seeing the o-line shored up. Maybe this draft Payton want double down on every pick, we'll need all of them.

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I don’t think Hill could have survived as a running QB. Nor could the stable of RBs held up as a featured running team- especially with the line injuries. I agree the Payton was handcuffing Winston. I think he would have had the team much more effective as a passer. Just my thoughts.

But Bako’s post focused on money and comparing the Saints to other teams as a way to press the idea the future is bleak. The cap situation is a factor of chasing the title with Brees’s last years. I don’t mind that. I’m not sure how much it hurt us. The only WR lost from last year is Emmanuel. That’s hardly gutting. In fact, I’d ask him to name the player that was on the roster last year that he would most like to have on the roster for this year to demonstrate the gutting he is referring to.

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If anything a trade for picks. They eat the contract.