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Hill did NOT play with the same players.
Offensive line changed like 18 times.
Hill NEVER had Ingram.
Tight end replacements
Hill did not have Deonte Harris most of the time
I'm sure someone could give us the rundown on different receivers though even with lesser recievers and the above Hill put up better passing stats. In his last full game he had 5 scoring drives MINUS Terron Armstead and Ramczyk.
Hill played with a DECIMATED Offense and Defense and many players playing injured INCLUDING HIMSELF. Jameis had the whole team INCLUDING Hill all fresh and healthy for first six games.
Go back and watch the whole season again and tell me you wouldn't rather any quarterback on our team more than Winston. Winston was insecure about what he was doing and Coach Payton ADMITTED he was keeping the play calling vanilla, though he didn't admit why. With Hill the whole playbook was open with a few more special plays for him. Yes, I am on the Hill bandwagon. LOL

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You might want to go back and check the final injury report for the first six weeks. Both Armstead and McCoy missed most of those games.

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The only year I have been more proud of this team is 09. Its unbelievable that we won 9 games in this mess of a season.

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Deuce on this team.

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I would rather have Winston than ANY other QB that the Saints had on their roster this season. He is BY FAR the best QB on the team. PERIOD.

All my opinion of course.

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I’m so confused as to how anybody could see it any other way.

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Take it from Dirty Harry..
Well, opinions are like A$$Holes Everybody has one.

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I love Hill. He might be one day what Jameis is now. Jameis is the next level. We just need to get some people around him. It's coming...

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Other factors other than leadership, ability, and performance, perhaps?

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Knowing you, you're certainly alluding to race but many here didn't like his behavior off the field a few years ago, which was pretty awful. I feel that he's matured the last couple of years and it appears that he's a leader in the Saints locker room. Also, I can't judge a man when I've been guilty of poor behavior in my past. Good for him for striving to improve his life in every facet.

It's my opinion that he's the Saints best option at QB next season. I hope that the team doesn't try to bring in Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson and the QB's in this draft don't impress me.

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Wasn't alluding to anything specifically. I'm sure his distant past is involved as you pointed out, however. I just know several fans, as Rez addressed, don't seem to see what we see. I see that take all the time in the Saints Twitter following. It's baffling.

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The why don't you elaborate on your bull**** statement? What factors "other than leadership" WERE you referring to little :censored:?

You're the white guy walking in to a black panthers meeting offering to help. In the real world (not the interweb on your puter) you could get really ****ed up for faking that kind of ****, and rightfully so.

You sick little race-baiting ****er...

:popcorn:

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Finally some true facts.

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The QB missing the most significant players was Siemian. I'm open for using preseason for what it is intended and have QB competition again. I'm for giving
Jamesis another shot. He was looking good before the injury. Still had some indecision but was getting better. I'm sure coming off of injury he will sign a cap friendly contract. It is pretty much impossible to grade any QB's from 2021 season with the all the missing pieces for most of the season. Here's to a healthier 2022.

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He wasn't getting pressured on every play like Hill and SIemian were. When we had a stable line, the offense still felt lackadaisical under Winston. When the line was a bit better towards the end of the season Hill just felt like he was more explosive in every aspect.

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That's true. But still our WRs just weren't getting open with any consistency.

It felt, to me, like we were about to open things up a little bit when Jameis got hurt. I love Taysom. I would support him as the starter, but I think Jameis is already where Hill would aspire to be, meaning reads, game management, etc.

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But even with the Indecision he had a very good touchdown and interception numbers, as well as team W-L record. Was he Brees?...No. Was he better than Hill?....I think so.

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I definitely think it’s personal feelings more than an assessment of his play. Jameis Winston is by and large a better QB than everybody on our roster. If I had to give him a Madden rating I’d say he’s an 85. Taysom Hill is like a 72 only because he can run. Trevor is about a 72 as well. Book…65.

Don’t be like that fam. Guido cool.

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It's cool, Rez. I blocked him some time ago. Seems to have gone a bit whacko.

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Whacko? Oh no sir. I told you many months ago to (a) stop harassing people and (b) leave me well enough alone and (c) if you didn't stop I would follow you around until you did.

You clearly chose C. My word is rock-solid. You're not a victim of anything other than your own ego. Reap it Guido you son of a *****...

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Guido not cool.

He picks fights with many posters and tries to bully people because he's the neighborhood brat. I'm glad that saintfan has chosen to push back and I hope that Guido either behaves in a more collegial manner or returns to that other fan site where his behavior seems to be encouraged.

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Enough hell will be raised (by me and anyone else who wants to join in...and some have, and thank you all) that a change will occur. Don't know what that will be. Guido hasn't blasted anybody in a few weeks because I watch EVERY post he makes and blast him proactively. He knows this, so he cannot attack anyone else expose his own hypocrisy.

Some of you may be upset at me for trolling him. It's okay. Means to an end my friends.

His little victim routine is old hat. Lots of 13 year olds try that on the internet.

Hey Guido...Every step you take. Every post you make.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...79/161/255.jpg

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You do know that he blocked you? He doesn't even know when you post.
You're not going to run him off if he can't read what your saying. You're talking to air while we listen. Might as well stop since he's not listening. Peace out! :peace:

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Trust me. He hasn't blocked me. He's broadcast that several times but he hasn't. His ego would never allow it. That's his 'victim' game.

And it isn't about me. I wouldn't piss on his face if his brains were on fire. It's about others who have the right to post here without Guido attacking, playing the race card, and so much more. Peace indeed sir. That's the end game.

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Once again, he can't hear you. He's got you blocked. We're the only ones who are listening. Back to my favorite subject. The Saints! Who Dat! :bng:

Back to our regularly schedule program.
Sorry saintsfan. I didn't see this post first. Too bad. I guess I'll have to block you. Too bad. I like what you have to say.

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Oh yes, he can. Just keep watching and you'll see. Give it time. I've been on this idiot for a while now. Hide and watch...

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I wouldn’t mind Winston. Payton just needs to take the handcuffs off. I have a feeling he wouldn’t have gotten injured if he wasn’t so worried about not turning it over. I don’t think he would have run it with reckless abandon otherwise.
I would however make a strong run at a Qb in FA.

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Sorry this has gone beyond reasonable … for a FOOTBALL/SAINTS discussion board. I’m out of your dialog.

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I say instead of watching the playoffs guido and saintsfan fight in a broadcasted boxing matchup.

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It looked like those handcuffs were loosening up a bit right about the time he got injured. Just think what he could do with Thomas back demanding the underneath coverage. One thing Winston has always been deadly at is the deep ball.

Who do you have as a better option in free agency? Realistically, that is.

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I think Ruiz needs to be relegated to a "Max Protect" player only or run heavy formations.

Regardless of the QB, he was playing like he had money on the other team breaking a sack record.

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What I'd love is a debate...about anything. He's a ***** though so it'll never happen. He is far too protective of his fragile ego.

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Can't help but pull for this kid!

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WHAT BEHAVIOR? CAN WE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT IT ? becuase I keep seeing hints at things but no one says anything concrete

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This wiki article lists his “ controversies“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameis_Winston

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:dunce::crowd::rofl::boohoo:

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Betting pool open: We're going to start off with saintfan as the -150 favorite because I could see guido walking out of the ring and being like "I don't need to fight him because I already know I'd win".