2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 01-25-2022, 02:28 PM

Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now...

lee909 · 01-25-2022, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now...

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it.
And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves.

Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

K Major · 01-26-2022, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B]

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one

.

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one .

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

K Major · 01-26-2022, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

Me too...

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz?

McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard...

But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him...

Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average...

The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go...

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.

halloween 65 · 01-26-2022, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated...

If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks...

There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross...

I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there...

Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade...

And no one is gonna want him at this time...

Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...

JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round.

01-25-2022, 02:28 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now... saintfan and halloween 65 like this.

01-25-2022, 06:05 PM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Be interesting if we start clearing out some contracts now... It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in.
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01-26-2022, 08:18 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by lee909 It would hurt for a year or two but i would be doing it. And as much as i wouldn't want to do it really i would listen to offers on the older players aswell. They can clear over 30ml of the 70ml cap in Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan alone. Peat/Robey both trade assets if they went into a full rebuild and you would be around 22ml over with 4 moves. Obviously they would all need replaced you would have to be looking at some decent picks. Would get a new regime off to building its own team, especially if Payton wanted back in before the 2023 season and the draft picks that would bring in. Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... jnormand likes this.
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01-26-2022, 08:29 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves...[/B] I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:32 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

01-26-2022, 09:43 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:45 AM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. Me too... jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:51 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz? McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard... But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him... Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average... The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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01-26-2022, 10:02 AM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... Agree with all this - we never lined up on Armstead tho, until now, sort of. I would love to keep him. But I'm sure not breaking the bank or sacrificing another position to compete with the offers he will probably get.

01-26-2022, 10:12 AM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Really do believe they shouldn't re-sign Mr. Glass, Armstead for the uninitiated... If we move CantGuardMike, I'd be sure I was signing a competent veteran to replace him as well as securing multiple first, second day draft picks... There are teams so desperate for a G/T I'd give Peat up for a 6th rd pick in a re-sign and trade (min. 1st year cap hit) just to get rid of that albatross... I'd designate Malcolm Jenkins a post-Jun 1st cut, take the $3.95M cap hit, save $7.75M there... Ruiz is another bust I'd try to get at least a 4th rd pick being he's on a rookie contract; problem is moving him would be cost prohibitive without a sign and trade... And no one is gonna want him at this time... Sean Payton has left a helluva mess and hamstrung future roster moves... JP I really wanted to check the like on here but here lies the problem, moving Peat, Ruiz and Armstead all at the same time. I agree with your assessment but that leaves a bare covert on the front line with needing another WR and upgrading at the TE ( TE upgrade is needed also and I'm leaning toward a rb to) There is a LT in the draft I think could play G at the next level but having a hard time with one playing LT that is really good in the draft. I agree we need upgrades over Peat and Ruiz but Armstead is elite when healthy. Hard call with all thats needed on the front line. Totally agree about Jenkins and thats what has me leaning hard on S in the 1st round. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.