2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 01-14-2022, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Out of curiosity, who are the other two in your top 3 safeties in the league?

(1) Marcus Williams, NO

(2) Jessie Bates, CIN

(3) Antoine Winfield, TB

Titans Kevin Byard has been a solid pro and had a good season as well...

FinSaint · 01-14-2022, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

(1) Marcus Williams, NO

(2) Jessie Bates, CIN

(3) Antoine Winfield, TB

Titans Kevin Byard has been a solid pro and had a good season as well...

How about H. Smith, Simmons and Fitzpatrick?

I know it's all a matter of an opinion, but I'd never place M. Williams as the best safety in the league nor top 3.

K Major · 01-14-2022, 05:38 PM

I don't think Marcus is in the top 3 either, however, I do think he's a very good free safety and worth signing to a long-term deal ... I think the Saints need to somehow, someway keep this defense intact. Collectively, they were that good.

IMO MW is the Jairus Byrd CSP wanted but never got in New Orleans.

Boston Saint · 01-14-2022, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I don't think Marcus is in the top 3 either, however, I do think he's a very good free safety and worth signing to a long-term deal ... I think the Saints need to somehow, someway keep this defense intact. Collectively, they were that good.

IMO MW is the Jairus Byrd CSP wanted but never got in New Orleans.

While I agree they did shine and carry the team let’s not forget they had a few hiccups too. Phily ran for about 240 yards against us. D couldn’t hold an 11 point 4th q lead against Giants. The first Atlanta game they had a letdown as well. Again, they were clearly the strength of the team. But hardly infallible.

K Major · 01-14-2022, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

While I agree they did shine and carry the team let’s not forget they had a few hiccups too. Phily ran for about 240 yards against us. D couldn’t hold an 11 point 4th q lead against Giants. The first Atlanta game they had a letdown as well. Again, they were clearly the strength of the team. But hardly infallible.

"If" Marcus goes elsewhere ... What is your plan B at FS?

There are probably some that feel that the Saints can "find" another safety equal to or even better range than MW. I'd ask ... who is that player?

Does he miss tackles or take an occasional bad angle on a play? Sure but they all do.

I wouldn't rule out a second tag for 2022. He's too talented to let go.

AsylumGuido · 01-14-2022, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

"If" Marcus goes elsewhere ... What is your plan B at FS?

There are probably some that feel that the Saints can "find" another safety equal to or even better range than MW. I'd ask ... who is that player?

Does he miss tackles or take an occasional bad angle on a play? Sure but they all do.

I wouldn't rule out a second tag for 2022. He's too talented to let go.

Absolutely agree!!!

The best in the game ever have missed tackles. It happens. Marcus Williams is narrow-mindedly judged on a single play, as a rookie, when he has demonstrated outstanding playmaking for rest of his short career to date. He's one of the best at his position in the game. Why take a step down when he can be be afforded?

K Major · 01-14-2022, 06:34 PM

IIRC, Jeff Duncan or maybe it was Sean Fazende stated that the Saints and Marcus were "close" to deal before they ran out of time (franchise tag) to sign him ... there was no way they were letting him hit the open market.

I tend to believe that getting a deal done with Marcus is a big-time priority for the Saints front office brass, this off-season.

saintfan · 01-14-2022, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Absolutely agree!!!

The best in the game ever have missed tackles. It happens. Marcus Williams is narrow-mindedly judged on a single play, as a rookie, when he has demonstrated outstanding playmaking for rest of his short career to date. He's one of the best at his position in the game. Why take a step down when he can be be afforded?

You don't have the right to call anyone narrow-minded little

.

You are the most myopic human being here, in the event you didn't know...

jeanpierre · 01-14-2022, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

How about H. Smith, Simmons and Fitzpatrick?

I know it's all a matter of an opinion, but I'd never place M. Williams as the best safety in the league nor top 3.

There's no safety with Marcus Williams range and discipline. Fitzpatrick is probably the among the most physically talented, but very inconsistent, see MIA record...

Harrison Smith was an elite safety, but his play the last couple of seasons is a big reason why Mike Zimmer is now out of a job...

And Marcus Williams is every bit the safety and more as Justin Simmons, who I'd agree, is one of the better safeties and of note, has rec'd the franchise tag two years in row...

jeanpierre · 01-14-2022, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I don't think Marcus is in the top 3 either, however, I do think he's a very good free safety and worth signing to a long-term deal ... I think the Saints need to somehow, someway keep this defense intact. Collectively, they were that good.

IMO MW is the Jairus Byrd CSP wanted but never got in New Orleans.

Strongly disagree about where Marcus Williams ranks, but you did hit a great point...

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01-14-2022, 05:13 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by FinSaint Out of curiosity, who are the other two in your top 3 safeties in the league? (1) Marcus Williams, NO (2) Jessie Bates, CIN (3) Antoine Winfield, TB Titans Kevin Byard has been a solid pro and had a good season as well... Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-14-2022, 05:19 PM	#12
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre (1) Marcus Williams, NO (2) Jessie Bates, CIN (3) Antoine Winfield, TB Titans Kevin Byard has been a solid pro and had a good season as well... How about H. Smith, Simmons and Fitzpatrick? I know it's all a matter of an opinion, but I'd never place M. Williams as the best safety in the league nor top 3. jeanpierre likes this.

01-14-2022, 05:38 PM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I don't think Marcus is in the top 3 either, however, I do think he's a very good free safety and worth signing to a long-term deal ... I think the Saints need to somehow, someway keep this defense intact. Collectively, they were that good. IMO MW is the Jairus Byrd CSP wanted but never got in New Orleans.

01-14-2022, 05:56 PM	#14
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I don't think Marcus is in the top 3 either, however, I do think he's a very good free safety and worth signing to a long-term deal ... I think the Saints need to somehow, someway keep this defense intact. Collectively, they were that good. IMO MW is the Jairus Byrd CSP wanted but never got in New Orleans. While I agree they did shine and carry the team let’s not forget they had a few hiccups too. Phily ran for about 240 yards against us. D couldn’t hold an 11 point 4th q lead against Giants. The first Atlanta game they had a letdown as well. Again, they were clearly the strength of the team. But hardly infallible.

01-14-2022, 06:05 PM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Boston Saint While I agree they did shine and carry the team let’s not forget they had a few hiccups too. Phily ran for about 240 yards against us. D couldn’t hold an 11 point 4th q lead against Giants. The first Atlanta game they had a letdown as well. Again, they were clearly the strength of the team. But hardly infallible. "If" Marcus goes elsewhere ... What is your plan B at FS? There are probably some that feel that the Saints can "find" another safety equal to or even better range than MW. I'd ask ... who is that player? Does he miss tackles or take an occasional bad angle on a play? Sure but they all do. I wouldn't rule out a second tag for 2022. He's too talented to let go. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major "If" Marcus goes elsewhere ... What is your plan B at FS? There are probably some that feel that the Saints can "find" another safety equal to or even better range than MW. I'd ask ... who is that player? Does he miss tackles or take an occasional bad angle on a play? Sure but they all do. I wouldn't rule out a second tag for 2022. He's too talented to let go. Absolutely agree!!! The best in the game ever have missed tackles. It happens. Marcus Williams is narrow-mindedly judged on a single play, as a rookie, when he has demonstrated outstanding playmaking for rest of his short career to date. He's one of the best at his position in the game. Why take a step down when he can be be afforded?

01-14-2022, 06:34 PM	#17
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook IIRC, Jeff Duncan or maybe it was Sean Fazende stated that the Saints and Marcus were "close" to deal before they ran out of time (franchise tag) to sign him ... there was no way they were letting him hit the open market. I tend to believe that getting a deal done with Marcus is a big-time priority for the Saints front office brass, this off-season. AsylumGuido and jeanpierre like this.

01-14-2022, 06:46 PM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Absolutely agree!!! The best in the game ever have missed tackles. It happens. Marcus Williams is narrow-mindedly judged on a single play, as a rookie, when he has demonstrated outstanding playmaking for rest of his short career to date. He's one of the best at his position in the game. Why take a step down when he can be be afforded? You don't have the right to call anyone narrow-minded little . You are the most myopic human being here, in the event you didn't know...

01-14-2022, 06:54 PM	#19
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by FinSaint How about H. Smith, Simmons and Fitzpatrick? I know it's all a matter of an opinion, but I'd never place M. Williams as the best safety in the league nor top 3. There's no safety with Marcus Williams range and discipline. Fitzpatrick is probably the among the most physically talented, but very inconsistent, see MIA record... Harrison Smith was an elite safety, but his play the last couple of seasons is a big reason why Mike Zimmer is now out of a job... And Marcus Williams is every bit the safety and more as Justin Simmons, who I'd agree, is one of the better safeties and of note, has rec'd the franchise tag two years in row... AsylumGuido and K Major like this.