2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup.

Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one .

Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round.

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

K Major · 01-26-2022, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks...

My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time...

With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it...

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

saintfan · 01-26-2022, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

Me too...

jeanpierre · 01-26-2022, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ...

And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1.

With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft.

K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz?

McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard...

But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him...

Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average...

The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go...

Rugby Saint II · 01-28-2022, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz?

McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard...

But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him...

Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average...

The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go...

Everybody has faults. Payton's biggest fault and gift is that he's a big gambler with a vision. We all know that gambling doesn't work out every time even for a master mind like Sean Payton.

jeanpierre · 01-29-2022, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Everybody has faults. Payton's biggest fault and gift is that he's a big gambler with a vision. We all know that gambling doesn't work out every time even for a master mind like Sean Payton.

Know it's among Saints' fans many favorite moments, but if you revisit Ambush, it was nearly a disaster; Payton recently disclosed he screwed up choosing the wrong side of the field...

But he took the calculated risks and he unquestionably turned the franchise around by winning immediately thereby getting players to bye-in; he deserves loads of credit for it...

The mistake was a lack of checks and balances allowing one person to make so many decisions without accountability - we lacked a GM to check Payton from himself...

Even 49ers great Bill Walsh who won three Superbowls, had to go to Carmen Policy and sell what he wanted done - and that included moving on from Joe Montana...

01-26-2022, 09:32 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'd keep Cesar one mo season but he's performed as a backup. Not a "bust", however, he's starting to look like one . Still a head scratcher pick, especially in the 1st round. You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

01-26-2022, 09:43 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,800 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're kinder than I am when it comes to 1st round picks... My standard is first round picks should be immediate starters, with maybe the exception of QB being given some extra acclimation time... With McCoy in place doing well, it just made no sense - the move to bring in Ruiz like that had Sean's fingerprints all over it... Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:45 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. Me too... jeanpierre likes this.

01-26-2022, 09:51 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Do you think the Saints personnel underestimated the ceiling with McCoy moving to the center? I think they did ... And I'm with on 1st rounders ... they need to be Day 1 starters. Day 1. With CSP now "retired", I'll be extremely curious to see what position we target on Day 1 of the 2022 draft. K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz? McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard... But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him... Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average... The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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01-28-2022, 11:53 AM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre K, you mean based on his rookie year, deciding to move McCoy to guard and taking Ruiz? McCoy has the goods for a terrific, active, get out in front and ploy the field Right Guard... But felt he performed fine as a rookie Center, and had a ProBowl ceiling within him... Really feel the Ruiz Experiment, moving McCoy to RG was another of Sean's Double-Double Reverse calls; Sean's Personnel Skills have been less than average... The GM position really needs to be strengthened with Veto power of the HC given back to the GM; the Mickey Loomis Yes Man schtick has needed to go... Everybody has faults. Payton's biggest fault and gift is that he's a big gambler with a vision. We all know that gambling doesn't work out every time even for a master mind like Sean Payton. jeanpierre likes this.

01-29-2022, 05:39 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Everybody has faults. Payton's biggest fault and gift is that he's a big gambler with a vision. We all know that gambling doesn't work out every time even for a master mind like Sean Payton. Know it's among Saints' fans many favorite moments, but if you revisit Ambush, it was nearly a disaster; Payton recently disclosed he screwed up choosing the wrong side of the field... But he took the calculated risks and he unquestionably turned the franchise around by winning immediately thereby getting players to bye-in; he deserves loads of credit for it... The mistake was a lack of checks and balances allowing one person to make so many decisions without accountability - we lacked a GM to check Payton from himself... Even 49ers great Bill Walsh who won three Superbowls, had to go to Carmen Policy and sell what he wanted done - and that included moving on from Joe Montana... Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

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