2022 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

Boston Saint · 06-23-2022, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If traded the following would apply via spotrac ...

Post June 1 Trade

2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000
2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000
2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000

In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen.

Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year?

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

K Major · 06-23-2022, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

+1.

Just thinking back to Saints "past", the closest situation (financially speaking) in any trade scenario for Thomas would be the fool Junior Galette. IIRC he received a significant amount of money, then the Saint's front office brass let him go later that summer.

But I feel the same as you Boston. Not advocating a trade but sometimes you just never know.

Meanwhile hoping for the best in MT's rehab.

AsylumGuido · 06-23-2022, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year?

I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how
to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit.

Just speculation.

Two questions ...

If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade?

If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?

Rugby Saint II · 06-23-2022, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Two questions ...

If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade?

If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?

If they don't know that he's damaged goods then....yeah!

Boston Saint · 06-23-2022, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Two questions ...

If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade?

If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?

Answer to #1…IDK. Maybe there are teams that feel like you do and aren’t doubting his recovery. Maybe his goods aren’t 100 percent healthy but a damaged Thomas is still darn good. Maybe they only get a second pick for thomas. It still could happen. (None of this I am advocating for).

2) Maybe both he and the team want a new start? Maybe he is secretly unhappy about not being the big fish in the little pond of the small market that is New Orleans. He now has to share spotlight with Olave and the LSU connection That is Landry/Honeybadger/and possibly an OBJ reunion? Maybe he felt a real connection to Brees and Payton and doesn’t like the chemistry between himself/Winston/Allen?

All this is BS speculation by me. I don’t want nor do I think he will be traded. I’m just replying to the idea it CAN’T happen.

But I will say this; Based on his actions, availability, and openness over the last two seasons, there is no doubt in my mind that Jameis Winston wants to be the quarterback of the New Orleans Saints. Based upon his actions, availability, and openness over the last two seasons, there is doubt in my mind that Michael Thomas wants to be a WR on the Saints.

06-23-2022, 10:01 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If traded the following would apply via spotrac ... Post June 1 Trade 2022 Dead Cap: $11,813,000 2023 Dead Cap: $25,452,000 2022 Cap Savings: $1,235,000 In other words, as Major_K pointed out to mapcow, that isn't going to happen. Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year? I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation.
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06-23-2022, 10:10 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation. +1. Just thinking back to Saints "past", the closest situation (financially speaking) in any trade scenario for Thomas would be the fool Junior Galette. IIRC he received a significant amount of money, then the Saint's front office brass let him go later that summer. But I feel the same as you Boston. Not advocating a trade but sometimes you just never know. Meanwhile hoping for the best in MT's rehab.

06-23-2022, 11:04 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by Boston Saint Well, trading him for say a first round pick next year would mean his roughly 23 million dead money next year would be offset by a rookie contract for that draft pick. The team already lost a first rounder next year, so this trade would mean only one first rounder needs to be fit under the cap. Aren’t you the one who says the cap is going to keep going up each year? I’m NOT advocating for it, but I believe Loomis and co could figure out how to eat that with the offset of a rookie contract AND not having a big dollar QB contract to worry about. Sign Winston to a friendly extension or spend that pick on your future QB and you are there. It’s only a one-year hit. Just speculation. Two questions ... If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade? If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit?

06-23-2022, 11:36 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Two questions ... If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade? If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit? If they don't know that he's damaged goods then....yeah!

06-23-2022, 11:46 AM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Michael Thomas Progress Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Two questions ... If Thomas is damaged goods as some surmise do you seriously think that he would bring a 1st round pick in trade? If he was 100% ready to go why would the Saints consider trading him now when they can let him earn that 2022 salary this season and get the same 2023 1st round pick after the season without taking the dead money hit? Answer to #1…IDK. Maybe there are teams that feel like you do and aren’t doubting his recovery. Maybe his goods aren’t 100 percent healthy but a damaged Thomas is still darn good. Maybe they only get a second pick for thomas. It still could happen. (None of this I am advocating for). 2) Maybe both he and the team want a new start? Maybe he is secretly unhappy about not being the big fish in the little pond of the small market that is New Orleans. He now has to share spotlight with Olave and the LSU connection That is Landry/Honeybadger/and possibly an OBJ reunion? Maybe he felt a real connection to Brees and Payton and doesn’t like the chemistry between himself/Winston/Allen? All this is BS speculation by me. I don’t want nor do I think he will be traded. I’m just replying to the idea it CAN’T happen. But I will say this; Based on his actions, availability, and openness over the last two seasons, there is no doubt in my mind that Jameis Winston wants to be the quarterback of the New Orleans Saints. Based upon his actions, availability, and openness over the last two seasons, there is doubt in my mind that Michael Thomas wants to be a WR on the Saints.
	You think you know, but you don’t know...and you never will! Coach Jim Mora