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rezburna 02-06-2022 09:51 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 943967)
Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.
This.

K Major 02-06-2022 09:57 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 943967)
Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.
Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

AsylumGuido 02-06-2022 11:35 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 943989)
Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.
Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

saintfan 02-06-2022 11:49 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943994)
Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.
Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one?

Every step you take. Every post you make.

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SaintGnome 02-06-2022 06:56 PM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943956)
Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. .
Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

AsylumGuido 02-06-2022 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 944037)
Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.
Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end.

Correct me if I am wrong, Rez.

rezburna 02-06-2022 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 944037)
Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.
I gave multiple reasons why I placed so much blame on his shoulders. Had he won a few of those Super Bowls it would be him getting the bulk of the credit like most Quarterbacks do, but he’s above getting the bulk of the blame?

rezburna 02-06-2022 07:16 PM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944039)
Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end.

Correct me if I am wrong, Rez.
Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.

SaintGnome 02-06-2022 07:24 PM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944041)
Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.
yeah, whatever.

vpheughan 02-07-2022 06:28 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944041)
Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.
The blame should fall on Payton. He should have benched Brees in the 2nd half against the Bucs and gone with Winston. I understand loyalty and all that but it don't win games.

TheOak 02-09-2022 04:55 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943994)
Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.
Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...


You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2022 08:49 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 944365)
Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...


You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?

saintfan 02-09-2022 08:59 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944382)
First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?
Are you really going to troll people AGAIN on this subject?

EVERYBODY here knows you're a fanboy. WE KNOW. Arguing with us about it is a waste of everyone's time and ONLY goes to serve your oversized ego.

Understand? Maybe you need Mr Rogers or Big Bird to explain it to you? Let me see what I can find on the subject of keeping your mouth shut...

TheOak 02-09-2022 10:52 AM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944382)
First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?
He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.

No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2022 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 944400)
He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.

No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts.
I have a very good understanding of dead money and everything else to do with contracts and caps, Oak. It's exactly because of that understanding that I have been saying all along that clearing out players isn't at all logical. I'm not sure where you missed the boat on that front. Plenty of people, both here and on the web, have been incorrectly assuming that would be the course of action. They are not understanding that $88 million can be easily converted from base salary and roster bonuses off the 2022 cap numbers. And that's not counting some basic extensions that can get us around $30 million under the current projected cap number without moving a single player.

In some ways we are saying the same thing.

saintfan 02-09-2022 12:23 PM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 944400)
He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.
I think you're giving him too much credit. I don't think he's moved on the Sesame street...

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K Major 02-09-2022 03:49 PM
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Speaking of “trade talk”, what are the chances the Saints make a call on Gardner Minshew? Dougie/Jags connection.

For whatever reason I thought Minshew was an older player. He’s on 25 😀 ?!

With a new HC, it’s hard to say what direction they go at QB. Winston, Bridgewater, Carr, Minshew perhaps?

I’m probably just reaching here …

saintfan 02-09-2022 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 944430)
Speaking of “trade talk”, what are the chances the Saints make a call on Gardner Minshew? Dougie/Jags connection.

For whatever reason I thought Minshew was an older player. He’s on 25 😀 ?!

With a new HC, it’s hard to say what direction they go at QB. Winston, Bridgewater, Carr, Minshew perhaps?

I’m probably just reaching here …
Minshew is fun to watch, I'll give him that.

:popcorn:

saintsfan1976 02-09-2022 06:26 PM
Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 944430)
Speaking of “trade talk”, what are the chances the Saints make a call on Gardner Minshew? Dougie/Jags connection.

For whatever reason I thought Minshew was an older player. He’s on 25 😀 ?!

With a new HC, it’s hard to say what direction they go at QB. Winston, Bridgewater, Carr, Minshew perhaps?

I’m probably just reaching here …
K - you're not reaching at all IMO. He'd be fun to watch if nothing else.

AsylumGuido 02-09-2022 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 944443)
K - you're not reaching at all IMO. He'd be fun to watch if nothing else.
Given a choice between bringing back Winston and going with a Minshew where would you stand? No question for me.

saintsfan1976 02-09-2022 06:59 PM
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Tough call. Based on the team's reaction and performance in a limited capacity I'd guess today it would be Winston.

I've heard the experts say QB has to be the next big decision but I'd argue the next coaching hires could be more critical to our future than Winston so I'd guess the entire staff to be in place before we learn who the next QB is.

AsylumGuido 02-10-2022 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 944449)
Tough call. Based on the team's reaction and performance in a limited capacity I'd guess today it would be Winston.

I've heard the experts say QB has to be the next big decision but I'd argue the next coaching hires could be more critical to our future than Winston so I'd guess the entire staff to be in place before we learn who the next QB is.
Agreed. We have until March 16th to make any decision on Winston. That's when he becomes a free agent at 4:00 PM. Nobody else can talk to him until March 14th, yet we can still agree to a new deal. We really can't do anything with any outside free agents before that March 14th date, either. However, we can talk trade with teams of contracted players (Wilson, Garoppolo, etc.). All of those decisions should include an OC and others not yet in place.

AsylumGuido 02-10-2022 08:58 AM
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According to NFL Operations:

Mar. 16 Trading period for 2022 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2021 contracts.

saintfan 02-10-2022 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944463)
Agreed. We have until March 16th to make any decision on Winston. That's when he becomes a free agent at 4:00 PM. Nobody else can talk to him until March 14th, yet we can still agree to a new deal. We really can't do anything with any outside free agents before that March 14th date, either. However, we can talk trade with teams of contracted players (Wilson, Garoppolo, etc.). All of those decisions should include an OC and others not yet in place.
Who did you steal this from? Which tweet did you plagiarize?

By the way, this has been posted numerous times - it's information we all know already. Thanks again for wasting everyone's time feeding your ego...

Rugby Saint II 02-11-2022 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944463)
Agreed. We have until March 16th to make any decision on Winston. That's when he becomes a free agent at 4:00 PM. Nobody else can talk to him until March 14th, yet we can still agree to a new deal. We really can't do anything with any outside free agents before that March 14th date, either. However, we can talk trade with teams of contracted players (Wilson, Garoppolo, etc.). All of those decisions should include an OC and others not yet in place.
Good! To me, he's 1A until we find out what the new OC is looking for in a QB. Winston was under some tight reins last year and I thought they were just coming off when he got hurt. He's spent two seasons under Sean Payton and is no longer the gun slinger he was as a young untrained buck.

I watched him grow in the last two years before the injury derailed his career. I'm all for letting him have the job while the new coaches find their heir apparent. Who knows? It could be Winston if he can beat the competition.

hitta 02-11-2022 07:45 PM
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I'd rather start preparing for next year to get QB in the draft by accumulating picks that we can convert into bigger picks.

K Major 02-11-2022 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 944644)
I'd rather start preparing for next year to get QB in the draft by accumulating picks that we can convert into bigger picks.
What about the 2022 QB though coach?

This team still has a lot of quality players on defense to make a run this upcoming season.

saintfan 02-11-2022 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 944645)
What about the 2022 QB though coach?

This team still has a lot of quality players on defense to make a run this upcoming season.
I'd give Hill a real shot at it.

AsylumGuido 02-12-2022 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 944645)
What about the 2022 QB though coach?

This team still has a lot of quality players on defense to make a run this upcoming season.
I still see Winston as the most logical option. He's already familiar with our personnel and coming off an injury should be affordable.


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