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AsylumGuido 01-24-2022 12:12 PM

Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints
 
Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

The Saints News Network Krewe gets together to give their thoughts and pitch their best trade offers for Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson.

JOHN HENDRIX 5 HOURS AGO

There's a lot of noise going on concerning the Saints, and it's all related to Sean Payton. The silence is deadly, and we'll only see what happens in time. However, one thing is certain for New Orleans going into 2022, and that's the fact of having to get better at the quarterback position. Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson is a hot name that could be on the move, but that's not certainly a given.

We looked at a few options the Saints have going into the new season. Could getting a marquee quarterback make New Orleans a more attractive destination for a free agent? We previously discussed how bad the wide receiver production was, and that's also an area that leaves a lot to the imagination for the team. The upgrade for a Sean Payton-led offense is more necessity than luxury right now.

The Saints News Network team got together recently to give their thoughts on what it would take for New Orleans to land Russell Wilson from the Seahawks.

Read the rest here ...

BakoSaint 01-24-2022 03:14 PM

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Was Wilson statistically better than Winston this season? Who had the advantage of receivers with Metcalf and Lockett vs Calloway and Smith? I feel like I would not break the bank when its already broke for a player who is not a clear upgrade. I also dont know how a small qb who relies on mobility and hasnt seemed to progress much since his first few years projects later into his career.

Crusader 01-24-2022 03:22 PM

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Oh hell no! I would be if we went and spent the future on a 34 year old. If not Winston I want us to get someone young that can be the franchise QB for a long time.

SmashMouth 01-25-2022 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942711)
Oh hell no! I would be if we went and spent the future on a 34 year old. If not Winston I want us to get someone young that can be the franchise QB for a long time.

Agreed... there's no way we're giving away draft capital unless it's for Joe Burrow!

Rugby Saint II 01-25-2022 10:26 AM

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Sean Payton is no doubt searching through all the existing QB tape looking for a QB who has the tools like Drew so Payton can coach him up. There will never be another Drew but we can hopefully get close with coach Payton. Sometimes lightning strikes in the same spot twice.

Crusader 01-25-2022 10:57 AM

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I want a young QB with an arm like Allen and Mahomes.

saintfan 01-25-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942786)
I want a young QB with an arm like Allen and Mahomes.

Along with the football IQ

stickman 01-25-2022 11:23 AM

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The article mentions 4 QBs. Winston, Wilson, Carr, and Garopolo. I would feel better about any of those guys than I would about anyone they could get a pick 18.

I think you have to find out about the price for Wilson, but Winston is probably the best bet for the Saints. Again, just my 2 cents :)

K Major 01-25-2022 11:52 AM

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I was high on Jimmy G but after watching his last two playoff performances …

Ehhh, I’m gonna have to decline. His defense and special teams bailed him out of bad spots twice so far.

AsylumGuido 01-25-2022 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942786)
I want a young QB with an arm like Allen and Mahomes.

So do the other 30 teams. ;)

neugey 01-25-2022 12:12 PM

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Let's not and say we did.

lee909 01-25-2022 02:22 PM

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https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.335be839...pid=ImgRaw&r=0

AsylumGuido 02-04-2022 03:45 PM

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The Wilson recruitment is picking up at the Pro Bowl this week!



AsylumGuido 02-04-2022 03:46 PM

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AsylumGuido 02-04-2022 03:47 PM

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rezburna 02-04-2022 05:10 PM

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The compensation it would take to get a Wilson trade done doesn’t bother me. The money is the problem. Brees commanded so much cap for so many years and people don’t talk about how he kept us pigeon held for so long by not doing the Tom Brady discount. I say bring Winston back before he ****s around and signs in Pittsburgh. At one point I would have been comfortable with any of the quarterbacks they mentioned as long as Payton was here, but with him gone either bring back Winston or spend a 1st round pick on a QB.

SaintGnome 02-04-2022 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943851)
The compensation it would take to get a Wilson trade done doesn’t bother me. The money is the problem. Brees commanded so much cap for so many years and people don’t talk about how he kept us pigeon held.

Wait, what?!

SaintGnome 02-04-2022 08:12 PM

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I'm sorry, but I'm flabbergasted by the suggestion that Drew's salary was what was chaining us down. First off "chaining us down" is what? Not getting a play away or so away from the SB the last 4 years, like we DID? Sure Drew in his prime years got his max (wouldn't you?!) but his later contracts were very team friendly, good but not as great as he could have commanded had he went elsewhere. People forget so quickly.

Boston Saint 02-04-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943851)
The compensation it would take to get a Wilson trade done doesn’t bother me. The money is the problem. Brees commanded so much cap for so many years and people don’t talk about how he kept us pigeon held for so long by not doing the Tom Brady discount. I say bring Winston back before he ****s around and signs in Pittsburgh. At one point I would have been comfortable with any of the quarterbacks they mentioned as long as Payton was here, but with him gone either bring back Winston or spend a 1st round pick on a QB.

What I wonder is if an incoming coach would want to roll with either Winston OR Hill. I’m down with Winston back but who knows about the next HC.

rezburna 02-04-2022 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943859)
I'm sorry, but I'm flabbergasted by the suggestion that Drew's salary was what was chaining us down. First off "chaining us down" is what? Not getting a play away or so away from the SB the last 4 years, like we DID? Sure Drew in his prime years got his max (wouldn't you?!) but his later contracts were very team friendly, good but not as great as he could have commanded had he went elsewhere. People forget so quickly.

Drew’s play in the playoffs is a large reason we were only a play away over the last four years. He was mediocre and often exposed in the offs for his inability to push the ball downfield. He should have took the discount in the early 2010’s instead of towards the end of his career. Maybe we could have spent more money on the defense and we could have overcome some of those failures. The thing is, I really remember. 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s in the playoffs since the 2013 season.

The Dude 02-05-2022 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 942690)
Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

The Saints News Network Krewe gets together to give their thoughts and pitch their best trade offers for Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson.

JOHN HENDRIX 5 HOURS AGO

There's a lot of noise going on concerning the Saints, and it's all related to Sean Payton. The silence is deadly, and we'll only see what happens in time. However, one thing is certain for New Orleans going into 2022, and that's the fact of having to get better at the quarterback position. Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson is a hot name that could be on the move, but that's not certainly a given.

We looked at a few options the Saints have going into the new season. Could getting a marquee quarterback make New Orleans a more attractive destination for a free agent? We previously discussed how bad the wide receiver production was, and that's also an area that leaves a lot to the imagination for the team. The upgrade for a Sean Payton-led offense is more necessity than luxury right now.

The Saints News Network team got together recently to give their thoughts on what it would take for New Orleans to land Russell Wilson from the Seahawks.

Read the rest here ...

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halloween 65 02-05-2022 07:17 AM

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I'm hoping we sign Winston back, big arm, able to make all the throws, mobile and still young I think he's going to be better and better with age. I also like Bortles( ok, let the bashing begin) can make all the throws, huge arm, young enough, more of a pocket passer than mobile, I like him. Book is still a question mark at this point and even in that dreadful game did enough to show me with his toughness and attempted gunslinger mentallity he should compete at the least for the backup qb position. That's 3 gunslingers that I would like to see play. The O-line get fixed another rb and TE and a couple FA WR and I believe any of these qb's could do the job.

ChrisXVI 02-05-2022 09:36 AM

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Russell Wilson won’t have any desire to come here without Sean Payton. We can put that to rest.

K Major 02-05-2022 09:59 AM

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Ahh, the off-season.

AsylumGuido 02-05-2022 10:51 AM

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There is an argument here. Personally, I am hoping for and expecting Winston.


AsylumGuido 02-05-2022 10:54 AM

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rezburna 02-05-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943889)

$24 million don’t sound too bad. 👀

Rugby Saint II 02-05-2022 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943890)
$24 million don’t sound too bad. 👀

True Dat! But how many picks would it cost us to bring Wilson into New Orleans? We are close to a makeover/rebuild and need all of our draft picks to get younger and cheaper. I jut don't see how we can afford him and also re-sign our free agents. It is not an absolute either/or scenario though Rez.

AsylumGuido 02-05-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 943895)
True Dat! But how many picks would it cost us to bring Wilson into New Orleans? We are close to a makeover/rebuild and need all of our draft picks to get younger and cheaper. I jut don't see how we can afford him and also re-sign our free agents. It is not an absolute either/or scenario though Rez.

There's always a way. We've let players walk that we shouldn't have, but it wasn't the lack of funding that caused these occurrences. Payton addressed this as part of his 92 minute retirement message. He admitted those mistakes.

AsylumGuido 02-05-2022 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943890)
$24 million don’t sound too bad. 👀

That's actually pretty pedestrian by today's standards.

SaintGnome 02-05-2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943863)
Drew’s play in the playoffs is a large reason we were only a play away over the last four years. He was mediocre and often exposed in the offs for his inability to push the ball downfield. He should have took the discount in the early 2010’s instead of towards the end of his career. Maybe we could have spent more money on the defense and we could have overcome some of those failures. The thing is, I really remember. 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s in the playoffs since the 2013 season.

I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell.

rezburna 02-05-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943938)
I will politely disagree our teams were good enough to win it all last four years with Drew. If you want to put all the blame on Drew's supposed greed go ahead but what I saw was Mickey playing the CAP like a composer and we never went wanting. Always seemed to add in coveted free agents while in CAP hell.

I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

AsylumGuido 02-05-2022 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943940)
I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me. ;)

saintfan 02-05-2022 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943940)
I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943942)
20%, 20%, and 60% for me. But everyone has their own way of looking at things. Mine is through black and gold. Shoot me. ;)

Looks like you don't. I doubt you've had an original thought since 1973...

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SaintGnome 02-05-2022 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943940)
I blame about 60% on Brees

Wow, harsh.

SaintGnome 02-05-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943940)
I blame about 60% on Brees, 20% Payton, 20% on rotten luck.

You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

rezburna 02-05-2022 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943954)
You know other sad franchises (just like ours was, sorry to say) honor the QB that was instrumental in bringing the trophy to a team that most of us never thought we'd even get to the dance, much less win it. I guess you are the other guy.

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

dizzle88 02-06-2022 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943956)
Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. But what I’m not going to do is lie about what I see. My dad noticed it first as early as 2012. He was saying the league had moved on and we might need to think about making a change at QB and coach. I disagreed and disagreed but after the Minnesota Miracle game it really hit me: his pinpoint accuracy and genius football mind can give us a chance but the inability to stretch the ball down the field is going to keep us from getting number two. It happened every time we got into the playoffs and faced a decent defense. Our teams were better than all of them, but Brees held us back. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a HOF’er. Doesn’t mean he didn’t play at a high level, but his deficiencies later in his career limited what made this offense explosive. Half the playbook was off limits because he couldn’t get it deep.

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

saintsfan1976 02-06-2022 06:42 AM

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Was Brees limited as time wore on? Of course. But 60% of the blame? Not even close.

halloween 65 02-06-2022 06:43 AM

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It was around 2016-17. Brees deep ball was fading. He still could thread the needle on 30-35 yds. downfield at that time. Our problem was Payton wouldn't commit to the run game and Thomas was the main focus, made it easy for DC's to figure us out. He tried his best to make Kamara into Marshall Faulk and it never worked which also limited our O.


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