Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

K Major · 02-06-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

saintfan · 02-06-2022, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one?

Every step you take. Every post you make.

TheOak · 02-09-2022, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...

You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs...

You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild.

First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?

saintfan · 02-09-2022, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?

Are you really going to troll people AGAIN on this subject?

EVERYBODY here knows you're a fanboy. WE KNOW. Arguing with us about it is a waste of everyone's time and ONLY goes to serve your oversized ego.

Understand? Maybe you need Mr Rogers or Big Bird to explain it to you? Let me see what I can find on the subject of keeping your mouth shut...

TheOak · 02-09-2022, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season.

Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?

He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.

No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts.

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.

No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts.

I have a very good understanding of dead money and everything else to do with contracts and caps, Oak. It's exactly because of that understanding that I have been saying all along that clearing out players isn't at all logical. I'm not sure where you missed the boat on that front. Plenty of people, both here and on the web, have been incorrectly assuming that would be the course of action. They are not understanding that $88 million can be easily converted from base salary and roster bonuses off the 2022 cap numbers. And that's not counting some basic extensions that can get us around $30 million under the current projected cap number without moving a single player.

In some ways we are saying the same thing.

saintfan · 02-09-2022, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol

You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber.
Dennis Allen is performing damage control.

I think you're giving him too much credit. I don't think he's moved on the Sesame street...

02-06-2022, 09:57 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

02-06-2022, 11:35 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by K Major Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

02-06-2022, 11:49 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting. Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one? Every step you take. Every post you make. K Major likes this.

02-09-2022, 04:55 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting. Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs... You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild. saintfan and K Major like this.
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02-09-2022, 08:49 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by TheOak Expecting? You have a new HC, will have a new DC which means the offense and defense will change. Outside of the draft you have no draw for free agent QBs or WRs... You are fantasizing about visiting last years beach home again and the wrecking ball has already left. The ONLY option you have is to continue to rebuild. First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season. Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw?
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-09-2022, 08:59 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season. Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw? Are you really going to troll people AGAIN on this subject? EVERYBODY here knows you're a fanboy. WE KNOW. Arguing with us about it is a waste of everyone's time and ONLY goes to serve your oversized ego. Understand? Maybe you need Mr Rogers or Big Bird to explain it to you? Let me see what I can find on the subject of keeping your mouth shut... K Major likes this.

02-09-2022, 10:52 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, Dennis Allen has already said he's planning on being very hands on with the defense and said in his press conference that could likely include playcalling on gameday. As a head coach he said he's going to use the foundation we have in place and using his 10+ years experience in the Saints culture built by Payton to continue with many of the same principles with his personal twist. I expect very little if any change to the defense and just adding Thomas and the four starting linemen that missed so much time to injury will be an upgrade from last season. Every team in the league usually adds a few pieces at minimum every off-season. That does not make it a "rebuild". The rebuild that some are proposing involves clearing out and starting over. As for free agent QB's and WR's, why isn't there a draw? He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber. Dennis Allen is performing damage control. No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts. saintfan, iceshack149, halloween 65 and 1 others like this.

02-09-2022, 11:26 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by TheOak He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber. Dennis Allen is performing damage control. No one is expecting players to be cleared out because unlike yourself they understand the association of dead money with contracts. I have a very good understanding of dead money and everything else to do with contracts and caps, Oak. It's exactly because of that understanding that I have been saying all along that clearing out players isn't at all logical. I'm not sure where you missed the boat on that front. Plenty of people, both here and on the web, have been incorrectly assuming that would be the course of action. They are not understanding that $88 million can be easily converted from base salary and roster bonuses off the 2022 cap numbers. And that's not counting some basic extensions that can get us around $30 million under the current projected cap number without moving a single player. In some ways we are saying the same thing.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-09-2022, 12:23 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by TheOak He said…. he said…. He said…. WTF did you expect him to say? Lol You are like a 13yo girl hanging on to every word from Justin Bieber. Dennis Allen is performing damage control. I think you're giving him too much credit. I don't think he's moved on the Sesame street... MatthewT likes this.