Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints

rezburna · 02-06-2022, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

This.

K Major · 02-06-2022, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all.

In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple;

Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats.
Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest.

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2022, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season.

Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over.

2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season.

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

saintfan · 02-06-2022, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one?

Every step you take. Every post you make.

SaintGnome · 02-06-2022, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. .

Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

AsylumGuido · 02-06-2022, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end.

Correct me if I am wrong, Rez.

rezburna · 02-06-2022, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

I gave multiple reasons why I placed so much blame on his shoulders. Had he won a few of those Super Bowls it would be him getting the bulk of the credit like most Quarterbacks do, but he’s above getting the bulk of the blame?

rezburna · 02-06-2022, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end.

Correct me if I am wrong, Rez.

Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.

SaintGnome · 02-06-2022, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.

yeah, whatever.

vpheughan · 02-07-2022, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.

The blame should fall on Payton. He should have benched Brees in the 2nd half against the Bucs and gone with Winston. I understand loyalty and all that but it don't win games.

02-06-2022, 10:51 AM	#41
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. This. dizzle88 likes this.

02-06-2022, 10:57 AM	#42
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, and its not a slander of Brees at all. In the Playoffs the last few years, the opposition defensive scheme was simple; Double Mike Thomas, leave a spy on Kamara in the flats. Because that basically was our offense and teams knew it. The minute they did that, they dared guys like Trequan to beat them, which couldn't happen and Brees couldn't stretch the field enough to keep the D honest. Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

02-06-2022, 12:35 PM	#43
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by K Major Not to derail the thread, but this is PRECISELY why I’ll continue to beat a dead horse on signing a LEGIT WR this off season. Once good defenses bottled up MT, it was over. 2022 draft & subsequent Free agency signings will be critical for the Saints success this season. Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting.

02-06-2022, 12:49 PM	#44
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Agreed! We are just a few key pieces from being an elite team once again. There's no need for a "rebuild" as some seem to be expecting. Who are the "some" mr passive-aggressive? The same "some" who think, according to you, that a black QB can't perform as well as a white one? Every step you take. Every post you make. K Major likes this.

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Oh nah. I love Drew Brees. I love Sean Payton. I’m glad it was him. I wouldn’t have traded him for Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. . Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew.

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02-06-2022, 08:13 PM	#46
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by SaintGnome Yeah, nice words (a few of them) but clearly you don't if you're dropping 60% on Drew. Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end. Correct me if I am wrong, Rez.

02-06-2022, 08:16 PM	#48
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Even though I don't agree with his percentages, I believe what he is saying is Brees was great at getting us to individual pinnacles mainly over the last half of his career here, but didn't have anymore what was needed to push us over that peak by himself at the end. Correct me if I am wrong, Rez. Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr.

02-06-2022, 08:24 PM	#49
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr. yeah, whatever.

02-07-2022, 07:28 AM	#50
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Piecing Together a Russell Wilson Trade for the Saints Originally Posted by rezburna Basically. He limited our offense too much. Had he been an average Quarterback we would have been dead on offense, but his accuracy, intelligence, and eye movement was so good he still produced at a high level, but he had become one dimensional in a changing league. Tom Brady aged like Floyd Mayweather. Drew Brees aged like Roy Jones, Jr. The blame should fall on Payton. He should have benched Brees in the 2nd half against the Bucs and gone with Winston. I understand loyalty and all that but it don't win games. K Major likes this.
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