Head Coach Search

Boston Saint · 01-27-2022, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.

Yeah, I realized I sort of missed your point after I made my post. I think you mean it was telling that he mentioned Allen third. That seems like it means Payton endorses him.

The Dude · 01-27-2022, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.

I think it was pretty sudden for some of the staff. I heard Streif say that they found out 30 minutes before the press conference. Obviously Loomis and Mrs Benson knew about it before but they made it sound like they kept it very close to the vest until the very last minute. He said he was picking Brees brain about broadcasting the night before.
Payton mentioned he was thinking about taking a break during training camp.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.

He took two weeks to finalize that decision according to Jay Glazer. The two weeks he spent in Cabo with Skylene. Both Glazer and Payton said he had discussed going ahead and stepping down with Gayle and Loomis and Gayle said to take a couple of more days to think about it when the time came. Then came the two weeks of partying on the beach. When he said he finally shared his final decision with Benson, then Loomis, then Dennis, I immediately thought Lauscha, as well. In affect, those are his only true "bosses" there.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 08:08 AM

RailBoss · 01-27-2022, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

If you listened to Sean's press conference he said (paraphrasing) "When I quit, I first went in to tell Mrs. Benson, then I went to Mickey, then I went to Dennis" that's telling to me.

That's where I got tripped up to, but I think Sean was referring to Dennis Lauscha Saints President.

ChrisXVI · 01-28-2022, 06:31 AM

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TheOak · 01-28-2022, 08:38 AM

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

halloween 65 · 01-28-2022, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

saintfan · 01-28-2022, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo.

01-27-2022, 06:51 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by SaintGnome No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell. Yeah, I realized I sort of missed your point after I made my post. I think you mean it was telling that he mentioned Allen third. That seems like it means Payton endorses him. SaintGnome likes this.

01-27-2022, 10:05 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by SaintGnome No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell. I think it was pretty sudden for some of the staff. I heard Streif say that they found out 30 minutes before the press conference. Obviously Loomis and Mrs Benson knew about it before but they made it sound like they kept it very close to the vest until the very last minute. He said he was picking Brees brain about broadcasting the night before. Payton mentioned he was thinking about taking a break during training camp.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by SaintGnome No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell. He took two weeks to finalize that decision according to Jay Glazer. The two weeks he spent in Cabo with Skylene. Both Glazer and Payton said he had discussed going ahead and stepping down with Gayle and Loomis and Gayle said to take a couple of more days to think about it when the time came. Then came the two weeks of partying on the beach. When he said he finally shared his final decision with Benson, then Loomis, then Dennis, I immediately thought Lauscha, as well. In affect, those are his only true "bosses" there.

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RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by SaintGnome If you listened to Sean's press conference he said (paraphrasing) "When I quit, I first went in to tell Mrs. Benson, then I went to Mickey, then I went to Dennis" that's telling to me. That's where I got tripped up to, but I think Sean was referring to Dennis Lauscha Saints President. AsylumGuido, Rell&Gold and Boston Saint like this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Head Coach Search If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. halloween 65, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

01-28-2022, 09:13 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. ChrisXVI likes this.

01-28-2022, 09:17 AM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo. K Major likes this.