Head Coach Search

SaintGnome · 02-02-2022, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A lot of heavily biased comments
We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same.

Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.

Wow, a lot there. EVERYTHING said here is heavily biased that's what we do here. Not sure what NEEDS to be changed. 4 years division winners, winning season last year, narrowly missing the playoffs with all of the adversity (do we really need to relive all that, how do you not acknowledge that?) so yeah I want to hold on to this sh!t.

TheOak · 02-02-2022, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Wow, a lot there. EVERYTHING said here is heavily biased that's what we do here. Not sure what NEEDS to be changed. 4 years division winners, winning season last year, narrowly missing the playoffs with all of the adversity (do we really need to relive all that, how do you not acknowledge that?) so yeah I want to hold on to this sh!t.

Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments.

A critical objective assessment would be taking your "4 years division winners", and recognizing that the statement is moot since both the HC and QB associated are gone. Hell, the HC and QB associated with your 9-8 "winning season" season are gone as well and after Winston got hurt we went 5-6...

SaintGnome · 02-02-2022, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments.

OK, Guido...low dude, did I attack/insult you? So only your "objective critical assessments" count? I guess you are the one here who is not biased.

And "everything" means losing starting QB, starting 4 QBs, losing most of our O-line for almost the entire season, lack of Michael Thomas, hurricane displacement, 20 starters out for the Dolphins game...none of these matter? I don't know how you ignore these. Yeah SP is gone but his staff is still there and he built a good one. I don't think Dennis is not going to keep his stamp on the defense just because he takes over the HC job. Sean didn't lose his stamp on the O by being HC. Defense is our strength. DA is good for business.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments.

A critical objective assessment would be taking your "4 years division winners", and recognizing that the statement is moot since both the HC and QB associated are gone. Hell, the HC and QB associated with your 9-8 "winning season" season are gone as well and after Winston got hurt we went 5-6...

And the team wasn't right even at 5-2. I place the reason on WRs and O-Line. We were not very good there, from the start really. Fish boy (Trautman) is not the answer at TE either - I'm going to keep beating that drum until he proves me wrong, and my arms are getting tired. We need playmakers and outside of Kamara. Who's that guy? Thomas maybe. Then what?

K Major · 02-02-2022, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.

THIS IS SOOOOO TRUE.

FinSaint · 02-02-2022, 11:16 AM

Pederson for HC calling the plays on offense while Carmichael continues as the OC in the same role he served in SP's staff.

If Allen wants to leave after he isn't named the HC - promote Richard or try to bring in someone like Flores if he has no other opportunities after his legal activities of late.

I want an offensive minded HC, and I get the feeling that Pederson is a players' coach, similarly as SP was, regardless of how things ended with the Eagles.

BakoSaint · 02-02-2022, 01:53 PM

It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.

RailBoss · 02-02-2022, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.

Interesting take on the situation, I will say Flores is a good Coach he had Miami going in the right direction even with his hands tied.

The Dude · 02-03-2022, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.

I was thinking the same. If we hired Flores I would bet money that calls would start going our way just so the NFL could save face. At the very least every blatant bad call would be heavily scrutinized by fans and media alike. I would take him in a heartbeat lawsuit or not.

MatthewT · 02-02-2022, 02:20 PM

I believe the recent events centered around Flores may have actually helped Aaron Glenn. I don't see any team touching Flores, and if Glenn gets the job at least the Saints cannot be accused of just interviewing to satisfy the Rooney rule. What I do know is if the Saints go with Dennis Allen or Doug Pederson, they better have all their ducks in a row.

02-02-2022, 08:04 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by SaintGnome Wow, a lot there. EVERYTHING said here is heavily biased that's what we do here. Not sure what NEEDS to be changed. 4 years division winners, winning season last year, narrowly missing the playoffs with all of the adversity (do we really need to relive all that, how do you not acknowledge that?) so yeah I want to hold on to this sh!t. Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments. A critical objective assessment would be taking your "4 years division winners", and recognizing that the statement is moot since both the HC and QB associated are gone. Hell, the HC and QB associated with your 9-8 "winning season" season are gone as well and after Winston got hurt we went 5-6...

02-02-2022, 08:27 AM	#3
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments. OK, Guido...low dude, did I attack/insult you? So only your "objective critical assessments" count? I guess you are the one here who is not biased. And "everything" means losing starting QB, starting 4 QBs, losing most of our O-line for almost the entire season, lack of Michael Thomas, hurricane displacement, 20 starters out for the Dolphins game...none of these matter? I don't know how you ignore these. Yeah SP is gone but his staff is still there and he built a good one. I don't think Dennis is not going to keep his stamp on the defense just because he takes over the HC job. Sean didn't lose his stamp on the O by being HC. Defense is our strength. DA is good for business.

02-02-2022, 09:57 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments. A critical objective assessment would be taking your "4 years division winners", and recognizing that the statement is moot since both the HC and QB associated are gone. Hell, the HC and QB associated with your 9-8 "winning season" season are gone as well and after Winston got hurt we went 5-6... And the team wasn't right even at 5-2. I place the reason on WRs and O-Line. We were not very good there, from the start really. Fish boy (Trautman) is not the answer at TE either - I'm going to keep beating that drum until he proves me wrong, and my arms are getting tired. We need playmakers and outside of Kamara. Who's that guy? Thomas maybe. Then what?

02-02-2022, 08:20 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes. THIS IS SOOOOO TRUE.

02-02-2022, 11:16 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Head Coach Search Pederson for HC calling the plays on offense while Carmichael continues as the OC in the same role he served in SP's staff. If Allen wants to leave after he isn't named the HC - promote Richard or try to bring in someone like Flores if he has no other opportunities after his legal activities of late. I want an offensive minded HC, and I get the feeling that Pederson is a players' coach, similarly as SP was, regardless of how things ended with the Eagles.

02-02-2022, 07:51 AM	#1
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak A lot of heavily biased comments We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same. Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes. Wow, a lot there. EVERYTHING said here is heavily biased that's what we do here. Not sure what NEEDS to be changed. 4 years division winners, winning season last year, narrowly missing the playoffs with all of the adversity (do we really need to relive all that, how do you not acknowledge that?) so yeah I want to hold on to this sh!t.

02-02-2022, 01:53 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,392	Re: Head Coach Search It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.
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02-02-2022, 08:39 PM	#8
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by BakoSaint It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play. Interesting take on the situation, I will say Flores is a good Coach he had Miami going in the right direction even with his hands tied.

02-03-2022, 12:11 AM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by BakoSaint It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play. I was thinking the same. If we hired Flores I would bet money that calls would start going our way just so the NFL could save face. At the very least every blatant bad call would be heavily scrutinized by fans and media alike. I would take him in a heartbeat lawsuit or not.
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02-02-2022, 02:20 PM	#10
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Head Coach Search I believe the recent events centered around Flores may have actually helped Aaron Glenn. I don't see any team touching Flores, and if Glenn gets the job at least the Saints cannot be accused of just interviewing to satisfy the Rooney rule. What I do know is if the Saints go with Dennis Allen or Doug Pederson, they better have all their ducks in a row.