Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Who is this franchise QB that I see mentioned? Winston is a free agent on March 16th and the reason he was in New Orleans or why any good QB that was interested in New Orleans as a home retired.

Anyone remember the last time we played without Sean Payton? Pete was OC in 2012 we went 7-9.

In 2012 he Saints offense was second in the NFL in total yards and third in scoring. You're blaming Carmichael and the Saints offense for that 7-9 record?

What we didn't have was Dennis Allen in charge of the defense.

TheOak · 02-09-2022, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

In 2012 he Saints offense was second in the NFL in total yards and third in scoring. You're blaming Carmichael and the Saints offense for that 7-9 record?

What we didn't have was Dennis Allen in charge of the defense.

Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now.

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2022, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now.

It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC.

TheOak · 02-09-2022, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC.

Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

saintsfan1976 · 02-09-2022, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

Wow we see things very differently. You think things are that bad huh?

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

Dennis Allen, Raiders coach, won't call defensive plays

Published: Aug 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Allen has a difficult task with this Raiders team. He's changing schemes dramatically on both sides of the ball without the benefit of many new players.

In that situation, most coaches would try to do everything to make their imprint on the squad by calling plays. By controlling everything possible. Allen won't go that route.

Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver will call the defense. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp will call the offense.

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Also note that the Saints defense went to hell in a handbasket in 2012 when DA left.

Allen was under .300 because he had no players in place to run his defense. He has nothing but his players in place here in New Orleans. Incredibly huge difference.

Boston Saint · 02-09-2022, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

IDK Oak. Let’s give the guy a try. Plenty of guys did better in their second stint as a coach. D and special teams should still be strengths. Hopefully Oline is healthy and Thomas goes back to playing like he did three years ago. Maybe they will go get an outside big name OC that can attract a QB and other players.

The Kamara situation really hurts. Now the team has to look at adding backfield talent as much as, if not more so, than WR. That’s why I mentioned Phillips Lindsay in a different thread. He reminds me a bit of a poor man’s Pierre Thomas.

But without Brady, Tampa will likely suck. The division is still ours for the taking. Unless Tampa goes out and gets Rodgers or Wilson or Murray to replace Brady. That would suck.

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC.

Yup. DA inferred at his press conference that he didn't want to give up those duties. Heck, if Payton could call offense and head coach then DA should be able to do the same defensively, right?

AsylumGuido · 02-09-2022, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now.

Oh, so Dennis Allen is going to wash his hands of the defense and let someone else control it all. He'll just do the defensive playcalling on gameday. Gotcha.

02-09-2022, 09:02 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Who is this franchise QB that I see mentioned? Winston is a free agent on March 16th and the reason he was in New Orleans or why any good QB that was interested in New Orleans as a home retired. Anyone remember the last time we played without Sean Payton? Pete was OC in 2012 we went 7-9. In 2012 he Saints offense was second in the NFL in total yards and third in scoring. You're blaming Carmichael and the Saints offense for that 7-9 record? What we didn't have was Dennis Allen in charge of the defense.

02-09-2022, 10:47 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by AsylumGuido In 2012 he Saints offense was second in the NFL in total yards and third in scoring. You're blaming Carmichael and the Saints offense for that 7-9 record? What we didn't have was Dennis Allen in charge of the defense. Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-09-2022, 10:53 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now. It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC. AsylumGuido likes this.

02-09-2022, 10:55 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC. Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

02-09-2022, 10:56 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard. Wow we see things very differently. You think things are that bad huh?

02-09-2022, 11:12 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard. Dennis Allen, Raiders coach, won't call defensive plays Published: Aug 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM Allen has a difficult task with this Raiders team. He's changing schemes dramatically on both sides of the ball without the benefit of many new players. In that situation, most coaches would try to do everything to make their imprint on the squad by calling plays. By controlling everything possible. Allen won't go that route. Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver will call the defense. Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp will call the offense. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Also note that the Saints defense went to hell in a handbasket in 2012 when DA left. Allen was under .300 because he had no players in place to run his defense. He has nothing but his players in place here in New Orleans. Incredibly huge difference.
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02-09-2022, 11:51 AM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard. IDK Oak. Let’s give the guy a try. Plenty of guys did better in their second stint as a coach. D and special teams should still be strengths. Hopefully Oline is healthy and Thomas goes back to playing like he did three years ago. Maybe they will go get an outside big name OC that can attract a QB and other players. The Kamara situation really hurts. Now the team has to look at adding backfield talent as much as, if not more so, than WR. That’s why I mentioned Phillips Lindsay in a different thread. He reminds me a bit of a poor man’s Pierre Thomas. But without Brady, Tampa will likely suck. The division is still ours for the taking. Unless Tampa goes out and gets Rodgers or Wilson or Murray to replace Brady. That would suck. saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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02-09-2022, 11:06 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC. Yup. DA inferred at his press conference that he didn't want to give up those duties. Heck, if Payton could call offense and head coach then DA should be able to do the same defensively, right?

02-09-2022, 11:03 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC Originally Posted by TheOak Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now. Oh, so Dennis Allen is going to wash his hands of the defense and let someone else control it all. He'll just do the defensive playcalling on gameday. Gotcha.