Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans

SaintGnome · 02-09-2022, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It's great to see former HCs filling specialized roles for DA. I don't get the impression he has any intention for this team other than being the best.

Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off.

Crusader · 02-10-2022, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off.

I was about to make that point but you beat me to it.

I just love the wealth of experience DA is bringing in. We probably gonna have to do a little bargain shopping in FA and rely on the draft to navigate trough a pretty rough cap situation and having coaches that, hopefully, can get the best out of unheralded players will be key.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 09:25 AM

Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue.

Dennis Allen appears to be bringing in people he knows that also have a great deal of experience. Win/win.

K Major · 02-10-2022, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue.

That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND.

He was a terrible Head Coach.

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND.

He was a terrible Head Coach.

Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

Boston Saint · 02-10-2022, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is
guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ?

AsylumGuido · 02-10-2022, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is
guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ?

It doesn't matter who it came from, it just so happens to have come from him. The guest was a coach, as well, I can't remember who, however, and he agreed completely. Weis very well may still have sucked as a head coach, but they both knew his hiring practices were faulty. It is still a truism. Correct? It makes perfect sense, does it not?

Or are you saying it's better to hire coaches who are friends with no experience (what he said he did at Notre Dame)? Are you saying it is better to hire experienced coaches that you have no prior working relationships or understanding of common ways of thinking (what he said he did later at Kansas)?

Or are you simply arguing the point just for the sake of arguing?

jlouhill · 02-11-2022, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is
guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ?

I’m not taking sides on the overall issue between saintfan and others against guido. I’m commenting on the remarks in this thread. This thread was going fine with a back and forth of thoughts, ideas, and opinions on the topic. Then you had to do exactly what y’all have vilified guido of doing and that’s try to start an argument. Again, not taking sides because there are points to be made from both as well as negatives to be had on both. But this senseless attempt to start something every time guido says something isn’t working in case y’all haven’t noticed. Unless I missed it he hasn’t taken the bait yet.

02-09-2022, 06:43 PM	#1
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It's great to see former HCs filling specialized roles for DA. I don't get the impression he has any intention for this team other than being the best. Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off. RailBoss and Crusader like this.

02-10-2022, 03:25 AM	#2
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by SaintGnome Honestly, when SP started doing this is when our coaching staff really flourished. Nolan and Allen come to mind right off. I was about to make that point but you beat me to it. I just love the wealth of experience DA is bringing in. We probably gonna have to do a little bargain shopping in FA and rely on the draft to navigate trough a pretty rough cap situation and having coaches that, hopefully, can get the best out of unheralded players will be key. RailBoss, Rugby Saint II and SaintGnome like this.

02-10-2022, 09:25 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue. Dennis Allen appears to be bringing in people he knows that also have a great deal of experience. Win/win. Thirty3 likes this.

02-10-2022, 09:50 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Ex-coach Charlie Weis said a few months ago (yes, on XM NFL Radio) that when hiring staff he learned the hard way that only bringing in people you know, yet with no experience with the positions, can be a disaster. He also said that bringing in people with experience, but not having a working relationship can also be an issue. That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND. He was a terrible Head Coach. AsylumGuido and bobdog86 like this.

02-10-2022, 10:45 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by K Major That hiring philosophy sure as hell didn't work for Charlie Weis in Kansas or ND. He was a terrible Head Coach. Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton.

02-10-2022, 11:01 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly! That was his point, K. He said those were the mistakes he made at Kansas and Notre Dame. They were talking about what he would tell a first time head coach and he pointed out what he did wrong in building staff back then. He didn't use the hiring strategy he is now supporting. Hopefully Dennis Allen has learned from some of his own mistakes the first time around, as well, plus seeing what did and didn't work with Payton. Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ? K Major likes this.

02-10-2022, 12:10 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by Boston Saint Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ? It doesn't matter who it came from, it just so happens to have come from him. The guest was a coach, as well, I can't remember who, however, and he agreed completely. Weis very well may still have sucked as a head coach, but they both knew his hiring practices were faulty. It is still a truism. Correct? It makes perfect sense, does it not? Or are you saying it's better to hire coaches who are friends with no experience (what he said he did at Notre Dame)? Are you saying it is better to hire experienced coaches that you have no prior working relationships or understanding of common ways of thinking (what he said he did later at Kansas)? Or are you simply arguing the point just for the sake of arguing?
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02-11-2022, 09:47 AM	#8
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Doug Marrone Back In New Orleans Originally Posted by Boston Saint Major’s point may be that Why does what Weis have to say matter? Weis is guessing on WHY HE SUCKED. He says he learned from his mistakes, but where is the evidence of that? When was his last successful NFL season ? I’m not taking sides on the overall issue between saintfan and others against guido. I’m commenting on the remarks in this thread. This thread was going fine with a back and forth of thoughts, ideas, and opinions on the topic. Then you had to do exactly what y’all have vilified guido of doing and that’s try to start an argument. Again, not taking sides because there are points to be made from both as well as negatives to be had on both. But this senseless attempt to start something every time guido says something isn’t working in case y’all haven’t noticed. Unless I missed it he hasn’t taken the bait yet. leilung, AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.
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