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ChrisXVI 02-22-2022 03:30 PM
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So we have a head coach calling the defensive plays and two defensive coordinators and then there’s just Pete “Moving into a different role, never mind we’ll keep him” Carmichael running the offense.

saintfan 02-22-2022 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945539)
Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right.

Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.
:stupid:

https://i0.wp.com/governanceforstake...80%2C640&ssl=1

SaintGnome 02-22-2022 03:43 PM
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If we had hired these guys off the street I might worry but the guys know each other and have worked together. If DA didn't think the chemistry was right or if the guys were abrasive with each other then this doesn't happen. IMO resume builder titles for both.

AsylumGuido 02-22-2022 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 945538)
A trend that’s been in the NFL for decades? Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Maybe I’m just a moron.
This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies.

Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice

saintfan 02-22-2022 04:09 PM
Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945544)
This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies.

Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice
Nothing in that article from 2018 has anything to do with the conversation. It's about data tracking. Why did you post it? Trying to prove something you typed? It has zero relevance...

What company did you ever work for that had more than one CEO? More than one CFO? More than one CTO? If the Saints decided to have more than one head coach, you'd support that too because you're not very smart. :rolleyes:

None, none, and none. You're just a fanboy without a clue.

bobdog86 02-23-2022 12:56 AM
Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945539)
Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right.

Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.
Possibly….I just come from an era where you hire someone to do a job, they are then responsible for there successes and failures….it’s not a village raising an idiot, the person responsible is held accountable, not the group. Too many shoulda, woulda and coulda’s. And every DC has underlings below him/her LB’er, D Line, secondary coaches…and they are the ones dedicated to developing players and game prepping, shouldn’t take a hybrid coaching model for success.

saintsfan1976 02-23-2022 07:11 AM
Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 945540)
So we have a head coach calling the defensive plays and two defensive coordinators and then there’s just Pete “Moving into a different role, never mind we’ll keep him” Carmichael running the offense.
That's certainly the outsider's perspective.

AsylumGuido 02-23-2022 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bobdog86 (Post 945581)
Possibly….I just come from an era where you hire someone to do a job, they are then responsible for there successes and failures….it’s not a village raising an idiot, the person responsible is held accountable, not the group. Too many shoulda, woulda and coulda’s. And every DC has underlings below him/her LB’er, D Line, secondary coaches…and they are the ones dedicated to developing players and game prepping, shouldn’t take a hybrid coaching model for success.
This hasn't changed. What has changed in coaching is the concentration of areas of responsibility. There were fewer coaches responsible for more things. Now there are more coaches responsible for less things each. The sum of responsibility is the same.

By the way, here's the Saints coaching staff from 1967.

https://www.nosaintshistory.com/wp-c...staff-1967.jpg

This from Wikipedia ...

Head coaches

Head Coach – Tom Fears

Offensive coaches

Chief Offensive Coach – George Dickson
Offensive Line Coach – Walt Yowarsky
Receiver Coach – Bob Shaw

Defensive coaches
Chief Defensive Coach – Jack Faulkner
Defensive Line Coach – Ed Khayat
Linebacker Coach – J. D. Roberts

Strength and conditioning

Trainer – Fred Peterson
Assistant Trainer – Bill Cuthbertson
Equipment Manager – Charlie Shepherd
Assistant Equipment Manager – Wallace Brown

AsylumGuido 02-23-2022 01:46 PM
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Looks like it is happening.

AsylumGuido 02-23-2022 02:12 PM
Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators
 
I never knew that Richard and Nielsen were teammates at USC.


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