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keithday123 03-21-2022 09:10 AM

What’s Left At QB
 
After the dust settled from the weekend what options do we have left. Many of you have more insight into what’s going on locally than I do. As I look around, excluding what we currently have on our roster, I see draft someone, J. Winston, B. Mayfield, G. Minshew, And M. Ryan as possibilities. Not even sure if these guys would come to New Orleans, but all things being equal who would be the best fit. My guess is Atlanta would never trade us Ryan and Mayfield has never mentioned us nor have we showed any interest in him from what I’ve seen. That leaves Winston and Minshew. Any thoughts from you guys and did I miss someone?

AsylumGuido 03-21-2022 09:16 AM

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I don't get the Minshew love. Winston has far more upside from what I have seen. Ryan wants a new deal with Atlanta and Atlanta wouldn't trade in division anyway. With Payton gone I don't see interest in Mayfield. I think it'll be Winston.

saintfan 03-21-2022 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by speedo (Post 948232)
I don't get the Minshew love. Winston has far more upside from what I have seen. Ryan wants a new deal with Atlanta and Atlanta wouldn't trade in division anyway. With Payton gone I don't see interest in Mayfield. I think it'll be Winston.

What don't you get? Be specific. Are they football reasons, or are you going to give us your "Jameis is already familiar with the playbook" rhetoric. At least you acknowledge Payton is gone. Still digging through his trash?

Crusader 03-21-2022 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by keithday123 (Post 948229)
After the dust settled from the weekend what options do we have left. Many of you have more insight into what’s going on locally than I do. As I look around, excluding what we currently have on our roster, I see draft someone, J. Winston, B. Mayfield, G. Minshew, And M. Ryan as possibilities. Not even sure if these guys would come to New Orleans, but all things being equal who would be the best fit. My guess is Atlanta would never trade us Ryan and Mayfield has never mentioned us nor have we showed any interest in him from what I’ve seen. That leaves Winston and Minshew. Any thoughts from you guys and did I miss someone?

I don't believe the Falcons would ever trade Ryan to the Saints. i wouldn't want him either.

My bet is on Winston. Tremendous upside and if he is our starter this year I hope they take the shackles off.

MatthewT 03-21-2022 09:27 AM

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Well, the issue with Winston is he has not signed. Either he really doesn't want to come back to the Saints, or the Saints offer was very low. Out of what is left out there, Minshew is a big upgrade over both Blake Bortles and Ian Book, and would be in interesting battle straight up against Hill.

keithday123 03-21-2022 09:28 AM

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Well With so many picks already and the inconsistent play of hurts I’m not sure Philly has any need or desire to trade Minshew. Not sure which of the two I would prefer but it’s looking more like Winston will be under center for at least this year, unless he’s sour about the Watson deal. Hopefully he’s will be a professional about it but who knows with these athletes nowadays.

AsylumGuido 03-21-2022 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 948236)
Well, the issue with Winston is he has not signed. Either he really doesn't want to come back to the Saints, or the Saints offer was very low. Out of what is left out there, Minshew is a big upgrade over both Blake Bortles and Ian Book, and would be in interesting battle straight up against Hill.

As long as both parties are willing there is no reason to sign early. Why get locked into specific contract terms before acquiring complimentary pieces?

MatthewT 03-21-2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 948239)
As long as both parties are willing there is no reason to sign early. Why get locked into specific contract terms before acquiring complimentary pieces?

Can't say for sure, but I doubt that is it. The complimentary pieces need to be brought in regardless who the QB is. Then you have the issue of trying to sell free agents on coming to New Orleans with an unsettled QB situation.

SmashMouth 03-21-2022 09:46 AM

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DAFUQ!?!


saintsfan1976 03-21-2022 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 948232)
I don't get the Minshew love. Winston has far more upside from what I have seen. Ryan wants a new deal with Atlanta and Atlanta wouldn't trade in division anyway. With Payton gone I don't see interest in Mayfield. I think it'll be Winston.

Mishew has relatively same production (I didn't check stats).

Hasn't torn an ACL.

Minshew is likely to be cheaper.

We may not get Winston and even if we do, I can argue Minshew would be a better backup than anyone on our roster.

SmashMouth 03-21-2022 09:49 AM

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Will Matt Ryan be traded today?

BakoSaint 03-21-2022 09:51 AM

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Offering the Ravens something for Tyler Huntley could be an option. It might take a 2nd round pick. He started strong and struggled in his last two starts, but those last two starts were against Aaron Donald and TJ Watt, and he is young with upside.

Depending on what the Lions do, Jared Goff could end up cut and available for pennies. I think Jared Goff is better than Gardner Minshew.

Jimmy Garappalo is likely available for trade, but I don't like the idea of trading picks, paying 20 million, and dealing with his injury history, all for I think 10% better than Jared Goff, who might be available with none of those issues, or Gardner Minshew who might just be a younger Jimmy Garoppolo. If other teams think this way too though, there is a chance nobody bites on Alex Smith 2.0 and he gets cut and is available cheap, in which case why not.

Jordan Love is likely available cheap for trade, but looked bad in very limited game action, and the Packers have been hesitant to create any buzz around him. If we go with Taysom, who will likely get injured in the first few games, or don't acquire another QB, Love could be worth a mid round pick just to see what happens.

MatthewT 03-21-2022 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 948241)

PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

keithday123 03-21-2022 09:58 AM

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Well I would ride with Winston or Minshew but have no interest in any of the other quarterbacks mentioned in thread including Jimmy G. Not a great year in the draft either. Maybe you roll Bortles out there and give him a second shot in the NFL. LoL. I’m at a loss with the QB situation in the NFL right now. I can’t remember a time when the position was so top heavy on talent.

SaintGnome 03-21-2022 10:21 AM

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If it was a vote, mine would be for Winston but it's concerning that it hasn't happened yet. I think I saw we made him an offer that wasn't accepted. People are concerned that he might be offended by our courtship of Watson, but it doesn't look like he's that hot to come back. None of the others impress me.

SmashMouth 03-21-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 948249)
If it was a vote, mine would be for Winston but it's concerning that it hasn't happened yet. I think I saw we made him an offer that wasn't accepted. People are concerned that he might be offended by our courtship of Watson, but it doesn't look like he's that hot to come back. None of the others impress me.

Winston was tendered/offered way before the DW saga. It must then be a low ball offer. Winston and his agent are astute to wait it out. His options are dwindling, despite what is being disclosed to us by MSM. We'll have to wait it out too. If SP were still here, I am not certain we'd be waiting it out now.

We've been dreading the QB transition for a few years now. We're here now... and there will be a few bumps along there way.

We were 9-8 last year with a turnstile at QB. We can be the same with a rookie QB if need be, even if it is Ian Book or a new draftee. That's better than most other teams can claim.

saintsfan1976 03-21-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 948245)
Offering the Ravens something for Tyler Huntley could be an option. It might take a 2nd round pick. He started strong and struggled in his last two starts, but those last two starts were against Aaron Donald and TJ Watt, and he is young with upside.

Depending on what the Lions do, Jared Goff could end up cut and available for pennies. I think Jared Goff is better than Gardner Minshew.

Jimmy Garappalo is likely available for trade, but I don't like the idea of trading picks, paying 20 million, and dealing with his injury history, all for I think 10% better than Jared Goff, who might be available with none of those issues, or Gardner Minshew who might just be a younger Jimmy Garoppolo. If other teams think this way too though, there is a chance nobody bites on Alex Smith 2.0 and he gets cut and is available cheap, in which case why not.

Jordan Love is likely available cheap for trade, but looked bad in very limited game action, and the Packers have been hesitant to create any buzz around him. If we go with Taysom, who will likely get injured in the first few games, or don't acquire another QB, Love could be worth a mid round pick just to see what happens.

Goff is a non-starter for me. He isn't a competitor. Wouldn't do the things McVay asked of him to improve and lead his team.

Boston Saint 03-21-2022 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 948247)
PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’d sign Aaron Brooks before Captain Dick.

rezburna 03-21-2022 11:03 AM

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I'm warming up to the idea of Gardner Minshew. I've been watching his film ever since I saw somebody post his stats in the forum. I was impressed by his numbers, and I like what I'm seeing on the tape. Not to mention, he went to Brandon High School in Mississippi. I like it.

AsylumGuido 03-21-2022 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 948243)
Mishew has relatively same production (I didn't check stats).

Hasn't torn an ACL.

Minshew is likely to be cheaper.

We may not get Winston and even if we do, I can argue Minshew would be a better backup than anyone on our roster.

I agree that Minshew would be a better backup.

Boston Saint 03-21-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 948253)
I'm warming up to the idea of Gardner Minshew. I've been watching his film ever since I saw somebody post his stats in the forum. I was impressed by his numbers, and I like what I'm seeing on the tape. Not to mention, he went to Brandon High School in Mississippi. I like it.

Agreed. It’s got to be difficult having success Playing for Jax. I’d still rather have Winston, but Gardner would be a good plan B IMO.

K Major 03-21-2022 11:37 AM

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Wasn’t Dougie Marrone the HC for Jacksonville while Gardner was there?

Surely he has given the Saints brass some input.

Make the call to Philly.

saintsfan1976 03-21-2022 11:41 AM

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https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/...ompetitiveness
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SmashMouth 03-21-2022 11:42 AM

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AsylumGuido 03-21-2022 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 948258)
Wasn’t Dougie Marrone the HC for Jacksonville while Gardner was there?

Surely he has given the Saints brass some input.

Make the call to Philly.

It depends upon what the input might be whether they'd want to call or not. Minshew went 1-6 under Marrone in 2020 to start the season and was not active the next four games. He had one more start later that season and lost.

K Major 03-21-2022 11:48 AM

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Baker appears to have maturity issues.

Pass.

saintfan 03-21-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by speedo (Post 948261)
It depends upon what the input might be whether they'd want to call or not.

Very insightful. The definition of posting just to be posting.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...cptobvious.jpg

SmashMouth 03-21-2022 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 948263)
Baker appears to have maturity issues.

Pass.

He's no Johnny Football, though!

And he's willing to stay late to clean the stadium after games... :popcorn:

K Major 03-21-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 948266)
He's no Johnny Football, though!

I was super high on Baker coming out of OU.

Maybe in a new system he’ll improve … was reading the Colts board and apparently they aren’t high on him either :(.

Manziel … meh, was never a believer in his ability at the next level.

AsylumGuido 03-21-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 948269)
I was super high on Baker coming out of OU.

Maybe in a new system he’ll improve … was reading the Colts board and apparently they aren’t high on him either :(.

Manziel … meh, was never a believer in his ability at the next level.

Wasn't Baker playing hurt this past season? Torn labrum in the left shoulder. I've done that myself and it affects you when you turn your shoulders. I can give him a bit of a bye playing through that.

rezburna 03-21-2022 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 948269)
I was super high on Baker coming out of OU.

Maybe in a new system he’ll improve … was reading the Colts board and apparently they aren’t high on him either :(.

Manziel … meh, was never a believer in his ability at the next level.

I liked him a lot too. Now? Not so much. I'm not as down on him as the media is though.

SmashMouth 03-21-2022 12:53 PM

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Matty Ice is now a Colt.

saintsfan1976 03-21-2022 01:03 PM

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Will we see Mariota in Atlanta and a new draft pick at QB?

Boston Saint 03-21-2022 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 948282)
Matty Ice is now a Colt.

Damn. I liked watching the Saints beat him. He helped produce some of my second favorite Super bowl memories.

Boston Saint 03-21-2022 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 948266)
He's no Johnny Football, though!

And he's willing to stay late to clean the stadium after games... :popcorn:

Didn’t he forget to turn the light out?!!!

SaintGnome 03-21-2022 01:35 PM

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94 will miss him

Lord_Saint83 03-21-2022 01:35 PM

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Jameis coming back 2 year 28 mil

Boston Saint 03-21-2022 01:40 PM

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It seems like there are quite a few guys that are in still early stages of their careers that are looking for second (or third) chances with another team. I think many of them could succeed given the right chances. Just like Brees thrived and Stafford won a SB with a second team, Mayfield, Trubiski, Winston, Minshew, Love, and others have enough talent to win with enough help. They are all young enough to improve. Just my feeling.

I realize these guys are not all available or course. Just thinking out loud.

rezburna 03-21-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 948292)
Jameis coming back 2 year 28 mil

Very cheap deal. Big moves to be made.

Lord_Saint83 03-21-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 948296)
Very cheap deal. Big moves to be made.


Agreed and now we can go after some receivers


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