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They do? Got any tweets?

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I’ve been very busy and have not had much time to check the board. Every time I finally get around to it I think to myself that SURELY we must have signed someone useful by now. Then I see this.

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Please explain how the WR market adjusts? I’m literally going to stare at this page until you elaborate.

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No one seems to like this move outside of Sorenson and his agent. I hate the expression "camp body" but it may apply here.

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Just like any market adjusts. Supply and demand. As top WR signings slow the going rate will decrease as well.

These were the first signings of free agency via spotrac:

MAR 15 2022
DJ Chark, WR
Signed a 1 year $10 million contract with Detroit (DET)

MAR 15 2022
Russell Gage, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Tampa Bay (TB)

MAR 14 2022
Cedrick Wilson, WR
Signed a 3 year $22.05 million contract with Miami (MIA)

MAR 14 2022
Christian Kirk, WR
Signed a 4 year $72 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

MAR 14 2022
Zay Jones, WR
Signed a 3 year $24 million contract with Jacksonville (JAC)

Out of 25 free agent signings since only one has been even near that same early high range ...

MAR 24 2022
Marquez Valdes-Scantling, WR
Signed a 3 year $30 million contract with Kansas City (KC)

The market is adjusting downward for the top WR's. It's basic economics and happens every year. It is the proverbial "first wave" versus latter waves of free agency. There are still plenty of WR's out there (supply) and all teams have slowed the pace of signings (demand).

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Good point

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Exactly. The offseason roster is 90 players. Half the players signed originally (many will be replaced during the offseason itself) will not make the final 53, but you still have to have them.

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Well thank you professor, because none of us knew that already... :rolleyes:

Why don't you go build a tree house out of a coconut or something and let the adults talk for a while...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0588107...r/rm398769665/

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For Jenkins, Terrell reports, the changes are considerable. Jenkins took a pay cut to reduce his base salary to the league minimum in both 2022 ($1.12 million) and 2023 ($1.165 million), the final two years of his contract. Unlike most restructures, he did not receive a signing bonus and no void years were added. This is the same maneuver the Saints took with Drew Brees prior to his retirement to help ease the salary cap hit once he was ready to step away from the game.

Jenkins, 34, could also be considering retirement. He’s won two Super Bowls in two different NFL cities and has wide-ranging business interests outside of football. There’s another shoe waiting to drop unless he’s planning to play out his deal while earning the veteran’s minimum. Whether that means retirement or an extension (which the Saints would have done in the first place) is unclear. If he does decide it’s time to retire from football, the Saints could designate him a post-June 1 cut (again, as they did with Brees) and carry minimal dead money charges of $3.95 million in 2022 and 2023.

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Lol........

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That is not supply and demand lol. It has taken me a bit to reply because you had me at a loss for words. Is this one of those 'wrong or opposite answers only' internet things?

1. There is no such thing as a going rate for a top WR. Top Wide Receivers are Velbens, not Giffens and would be considered the exception to Supply and Demand even if you hadn't got it bassakwards.

2. The market is not 'adjusting' lol.

In Supply and Demand either the product supply or consumer desire is assumed constant, if one isn't relatively constant it doesn't work. In Supply and Demand an increased demand or reduced supply drive prices up (Not down), in this scenario the WR and Teams looking for them are finite and as a WR comes off the market so does a team looking for one so demand stays constant. If we start with 12WR and 10 Teams wanting WR we end with 2WR and 0 Teams... constant demand. If you start with 8WV and 10 Teams then the last 1 WRs potential goes up (not down) because there are 2 teams left wanting him... increased demand.

3. Supply in the NFL for WR will not change until draft day.
4. WR that are not on the open market do not increase supply.

A WR being signed can increase or lower the 'market value' of the remaining players but one coming off the market doesn't change the market values of the remaining WR except for the potential to make them go up as teams panic because they do not want to be left empty handed.

If you reply with more of your made up condescending BS, civility will be taken off the table.

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Now I am at a loss for words. Talk about made up condescending BS.

A change in either demand, or supply, or both affects the market value. There is no need for either to remain constant except for simplification purposes for an example.

There was a limited supply of upper tier WR's when free agency began. There was also set of franchises willing and able to pay what it took to get one of these WR's. This set a very high early market price in the mind of the remaining WR's. An example is Jarvis Landry figuring $20 million per year was his value based upon the market at that point. The unwillingness of the remaining franchises in need to pay those top dollar figures on the remaining current supply of WR's is a reduction of demand which will, in turn, drive the market price point down. The quickly approaching draft also affects the market for WR's as it adds a new wave of supply into the equation.

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You're always at a loss for words until someone tweets a few you can steal. As for condescending BS, well, Larry, takes one to know one eh? :rolleyes:

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‘Someone incorrectly figuring their own value’ is your example of where the market is at a given point? seriously?

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Of course not. Nevermind. You are completely missing the point.

Simply put, it makes sense to wait and let the WR's start to get desperate for a deal and lower THEIR expectations. In other words, Landry will be forced to settle for less because the demand at this point isn't high enough to warrant paying him that much for the remaining teams in the market.

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I’m not touching this even with my ten foot pole….Maybe I will with my twelve footer.

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This was the splash signing the Saints needed to get over the top. Super Bowl here we come!!!

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Thank god for that at least.

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Camp Body.

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It looks like the Sorensen signing was not addressing the safety position, per se. Jenkins frequently played that dime backer position in Allen's defense.

Takeaways from Dennis Allen's Tuesday Presser

DANIEL SORENSEN, FREE AGENT ADDITIONS: It's no longer a mystery for New Orleans, as Allen said they see him in a Jeff Heath role for this season. Allen did mention that he played a lot of Dime Linebacker at Kansas City too. All three defensive free agents (Marcus Maye and Kentavius Street being the others) the Saints have added were praised for their versatility.

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Seriously Guido? That approach has drawn the ire of some board members. You might want to rephrase that statement. Simply state the facts ,which you do so well, no need to interject disdain for someone's opinion. Although, I do agree with the majority of your post.:pink:

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Viagra? :bugeyes:

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Seriously Guido?Attachment 13895 No need to interject disdain for someone's opinion

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