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SaintGnome 04-04-2022 07:45 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 949569)
I want Loomis fired. This is the last straw. We are due for a likely down year and now Philly is robbing us of a likely top 10 pick, perhaps #1 overall in 2023. Allens best year as a head coach was 4-12 and now we need him to go 9-8 to half way break even on this trade. We can all argue all day but lets wait and look back on this trade in 10 months when we see the position of that pick. Fire Mickey Loomis!

added to ignore list, good luck brother.

BakoSaint 04-04-2022 07:46 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 949571)
added to ignore list, good luck brother.

Fine ignore the truth, mickey loomis is getting paid great to do it.

BakoSaint 04-04-2022 07:48 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
Maybe we will trade one of the first rounders for Calvin Ridley. Mickey Loomis loves betting on his team, Calvin Ridley loves betting on his team. Seems like a match made in heaven.

jnormand 04-04-2022 07:59 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 949529)
Trust me, Sam Howell has something special about him... I'll pull this thread back up when he shows it. Still, I don't see us picking him with either of these picks. Maybe we aren't finished doing what we are doing. Might be able to take these picks and convert them into several picks.

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 949559)
OMG so much negativity … probably means they will nail it if history is any indication of past performance. 2 more potential starters on 5 year contracts … Maybe looking and mucho cap space for free agent signing. I know I know Glass Half Full to the max.

I'm not trying to be negative. I just think we got the **** at the end of the stick in this trade. Haven't seen a report yet that indicates otherwise.

My point is that we traded next years 1st which is going to be a good QB draft.

I just don't agree with it. But I'm just a fan. No one cares about my opinion. lol

stickman 04-04-2022 08:00 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
I read an article on this that mentions that filling positions with draft picks instead of free agents will help the cap down the road.

The Saints now have 3 picks in the top 50 picks of the draft.

AsylumGuido 04-04-2022 08:05 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 949569)
I want Loomis fired. This is the last straw. We are due for a likely down year and now Philly is robbing us of a likely top 10 pick, perhaps #1 overall in 2023. Allens best year as a head coach was 4-12 and now we need him to go 9-8 to half way break even on this trade. We can all argue all day but lets wait and look back on this trade in 10 months when we see the position of that pick. Fire Mickey Loomis!

Take a chill pill, dude. LOL!

AsylumGuido 04-04-2022 08:05 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 949571)
added to ignore list, good luck brother.

Good idea.

SaintGnome 04-04-2022 08:12 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 949572)
Fine ignore the truth, mickey loomis is getting paid great to do it.

OK, I have neither the time nor the patience to figure out how to block you tonight. "Ignore the truth", and what truth would that be? That our Saints have been CAP strapped since 2009 have won a SB, and how many times have won playoff games and we have managed to sign a lot a of top rated free agents over the that time frame? I don't get it, would you like to offer a better GM? Anyone can complain, but if you don't offer a solution...so what?

hitta 04-04-2022 08:18 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
Loomis is no dummy. He weighs the talent in years in his determinations for making trade, it's not just a scale of the worth of what a pick is. If his selections turn out to be right, and the talent at the positions we go after is scarce next year, then it is a good trade. If the opposite is true, it's a bad one. Everything in these drafts can't just be weighed on a scale, every year is different.

rezburna 04-04-2022 08:22 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 949574)
I'm not trying to be negative. I just think we got the **** at the end of the stick in this trade. Haven't seen a report yet that indicates otherwise.

My point is that we traded next years 1st which is going to be a good QB draft.

I just don't agree with it. But I'm just a fan. No one cares about my opinion. lol

We won’t get CJ Stroud or Bryce Young in the draft next year even with a 1st. Teams are tanking for those kids. Anthony Richardson is the third ranked prospect I believe but he’s kind of similar to Cam Newton. I’m not sure many in the forum would want him anyway, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he made it to the 2nd round. It’ll be okay.

The Dude 04-04-2022 08:47 PM

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Kind of early to show your hand?

Boston Saint 04-04-2022 09:35 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 949574)
I'm not trying to be negative. I just think we got the **** at the end of the stick in this trade. Haven't seen a report yet that indicates otherwise.

My point is that we traded next years 1st which is going to be a good QB draft.

I just don't agree with it. But I'm just a fan. No one cares about my opinion. lol

Don’t worry normand…I care 😜

jnormand 04-04-2022 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 949591)
Don’t worry normand…I care 😜

I knew I could count on you Bosty. Lol

K Major 04-04-2022 10:02 PM

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turbo_dog 04-04-2022 10:20 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 949560)
1. Same coach, different position
2. MT can be just as dominant
3. Winston will be the QB
4. With the speed of the legal system is may be after the season before anything is known
5. It will look better than last year with only one starter playing the whole season

But, then again, I look at the cup being full.

Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

Boston Saint 04-04-2022 11:40 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 949555)
And what if we don’t draft LT and WR? What if Jameis sucks with Pete Carmichael running the offense? Then we are stuck with no first rounder next year. There’s a whole lot of assumptions involved to justify this trade.

In fairness, if they don’t draft a WR or LT and if Winston sucks running the O then a first round pick next year isn’t going to be enough to fix the problems anyway.

Boston Saint 04-04-2022 11:46 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 949569)
I want Loomis fired. This is the last straw. We are due for a likely down year and now Philly is robbing us of a likely top 10 pick, perhaps #1 overall in 2023. Allens best year as a head coach was 4-12 and now we need him to go 9-8 to half way break even on this trade. We can all argue all day but lets wait and look back on this trade in 10 months when we see the position of that pick. Fire Mickey Loomis!

You and about 31 other teams want Loomis fired.

Rell&Gold 04-05-2022 12:28 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
Saints got the better end of that deal if you ask me

Rell&Gold 04-05-2022 12:34 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 949574)
I'm not trying to be negative. I just think we got the **** at the end of the stick in this trade. Haven't seen a report yet that indicates otherwise.

My point is that we traded next years 1st which is going to be a good QB draft.

I just don't agree with it. But I'm just a fan. No one cares about my opinion. lol

Saints would have to trade picks away to get CJ or Bryce next year. Regardless of how the Saints play they won't play bad enough to have a top 15 pick

ChrisXVI 04-05-2022 04:16 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
It’s so weird how the “analysts” don’t like this trade because they basically believe the Saints shouldn’t be trying to compete this year.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2022 07:49 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 949596)
Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2022 07:54 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 949606)
It’s so weird how the “analysts” don’t like this trade because they basically believe the Saints shouldn’t be trying to compete this year.

This is what I like most about the Saints under Loomis. They are always trying to compete every year. For the past decade and a half we have always had the chance of making the playoffs. We haven't had a single season where we were a third of the way through the season and already looking at draft positions like in the past.

turbo_dog 04-05-2022 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 949611)
It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.


It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Boston Saint 04-05-2022 08:18 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 949613)
It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him.

K Major 04-05-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 949613)
It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Legitimate concern.

I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2022 08:22 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 949615)
Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him.

Given he has been arguably the most impactful WR in the NFL in the past decade I feel that support is warranted. He was always described as having a chip on his shoulder and a hunger to be the best. I'm expecting that chip and hunger to still be there.

AsylumGuido 04-05-2022 08:31 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 949613)
It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Only if one is concerned over his desire and determination. His game has never been dependent on his physical abilities. The guy only ran a 4.57 40. His vertical was only in the 44 percentile. His 60 yard shuttle was in the bottom 4th.

Lord_Saint83 04-05-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 949616)
Legitimate concern.

I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT.



Me too. But even if he comes back 75% as good he once was. He’ll still be fairly dangerous, paired with a good no. 2

SmashMouth 04-05-2022 09:46 AM

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Rugby Saint II 04-05-2022 10:48 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
I like it! Remember, there is a very good chance that Payton comes back to coaching and we restock heavily again next year. Ain't skeered! :couch:

iceshack149 04-05-2022 12:20 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 949562)
Anybody think we may have gotten two first rounders to trade for a much higher 1st? Is there a THAT guy in the top 5? I don't follow enough college FB.


Like they did for Johnathon Sullivan!

AsylumGuido 04-05-2022 12:42 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 949562)
Anybody think we may have gotten two first rounders to trade for a much higher 1st? Is there a THAT guy in the top 5? I don't follow enough college FB.

Ikem Ekwonu - LT - NC State

Mr.Riaton 04-05-2022 01:36 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
I sure hope we don’t combine those picks to move up. I think we should stay put and grab what the draft gives us. They’ll be plenty of talent when it’s our turn.

vpheughan 04-05-2022 02:17 PM

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"COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A & WHAT IF" THE 4 HOARSEMEN OF B&G!!! HI-YO LOOMIS! AWAY!!

ChrisXVI 04-05-2022 02:28 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
As far as using the two firsts to trade up… No chance. Trading up would mean we’ve used 3 firsts, a second, a third and a seventh to get said player.

stickman 04-05-2022 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 949661)
As far as using the two firsts to trade up… No chance. Trading up would mean we’ve used 3 firsts, a second, a third and a seventh to get said player.

This. No one in this draft is worth that.

K Major 04-05-2022 02:57 PM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 949649)
Ikem Ekwonu - LT - NC State

Good pro prospect & potential Day 1 star. High IQ player/all-academic team.

His father is a Doctor and he has a brother playing at Notre Dame.

jnormand 04-05-2022 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 949648)
Like they did for Johnathon Sullivan!

Sully....lmao!!!! What a wasted pick. bahahahahaha

saintsfan1976 04-06-2022 07:01 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 949617)
Given he has been arguably the most impactful WR in the NFL in the past decade I feel that support is warranted. He was always described as having a chip on his shoulder and a hunger to be the best. I'm expecting that chip and hunger to still be there.

The chip isn’t in question. His ankle is.

saintsfan1976 04-06-2022 07:04 AM

Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade
 
I think we get two day 1 starters in round 1 while filling two major holes - LT and WR.

Give Jameis the ammo he needs. If he can’t succeed, you find a QB next year


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