Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick

rezburna · 05-04-2022, 10:34 AM

Alontae Taylor is going to be the steal of the 2nd round. He has all the tools. Giving me Richard Sherman vibes, but more athletic. I can't find the type of film I want on him though.

AsylumGuido · 05-04-2022, 11:46 AM

jeanpierre · 05-04-2022, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Alontae Taylor is going to be the steal of the 2nd round. He has all the tools. Giving me Richard Sherman vibes, but more athletic. I can't find the type of film I want on him though.

He'd been a greater steal in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...

AsylumGuido · 05-04-2022, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...

Can you guarantee that? We could have traded back and HOPED we got him. How does that help when they wanted him from the get go?

Winners don't hope things fall to them.

They reach out and grab them.

SmashMouth · 05-04-2022, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer...

Maybe they tried and got no takers ...

jeanpierre · 05-04-2022, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe they tried and got no takers ...

Pick 49? You'd had suitors...

AsylumGuido · 05-05-2022, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe they tried and got no takers ...

No, they didn't try and had no reason to try since they don't agree with that type of move. Loomis himself said the Saints philosophy is "quality over quantity" when asked about trading down. He mentioned their trading up some 25 times and not once trading down. He also said when they find someone they love they go and get that player.

It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure.

Boston Saint · 05-05-2022, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure.

It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.

AsylumGuido · 05-05-2022, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions.

Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off
the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.

Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".

And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?

Boston Saint · 05-05-2022, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency.

If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks".

And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?

So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS.

What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks?

Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by rezburna Alontae Taylor is going to be the steal of the 2nd round. He has all the tools. Giving me Richard Sherman vibes, but more athletic. I can't find the type of film I want on him though. He'd been a greater steal in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer... SmashMouth likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by jeanpierre He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer... Can you guarantee that? We could have traded back and HOPED we got him. How does that help when they wanted him from the get go? Winners don't hope things fall to them. They reach out and grab them.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by jeanpierre He'd been a greater steel in the third round as well; we could have traded back, still gotten him and say a Guard, Tight End or LBer... Maybe they tried and got no takers ...

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe they tried and got no takers ... Pick 49? You'd had suitors... Rugby Saint II likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe they tried and got no takers ... No, they didn't try and had no reason to try since they don't agree with that type of move. Loomis himself said the Saints philosophy is "quality over quantity" when asked about trading down. He mentioned their trading up some 25 times and not once trading down. He also said when they find someone they love they go and get that player. It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-05-2022, 09:01 AM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's hard to logically argue against that philosophy when Loomis' teams are right near the top of the list in total wins during his tenure. It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions. Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things.
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05-05-2022, 09:27 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint It’s not hard at all. Rams just won a SB and went to another since the Saints had their championship and they look at the draft very differently. Rams have not had a first round pick since 2016, so they are fine trading away “quality” draft picks and have succeeded. Logically it can be argued that trades that brought in “reach” guys like Turner and Davenport have backfired by not allowing them to fill needs at other positions like WR or TE….especially considering the amount of time those guys have missed. This has subsequently resulted in playoff losses for the Saints when they were lacking in talent at key positions. Now you will come back with the “we are not GMs” line to defend your point. That wont change the fact that it’s easy to find fault with moves the organization has made during this and previous drafts if you are willing to take off the Saints goggles and honestly evaluate things. Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency. If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks". And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead?
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05-05-2022, 09:55 AM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Tennessee cornerback Alontae Taylor with the No. 49 pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Good example with the Rams, Boston! Just like the Saints, the Rams have used their draft picks not to move down and accumulate more lower picks, but have used them in a manner to get the players they wanted. The Saints just do it through the draft and the Rams through free agency. If you can't read Rams' GM, Les Snead's shirt, it says, "**** Them Picks". And what's wrong with Davenport? He's arguably the most impactful defensive lineman the Saints have when healthy and Turner hasn't even had a chance yet. Can you guarantee the Saints would be better off without Davenport and Turner than they would be with whomever would have been taken instead? So you admit there is a logical argument to be made against the way the Saints do things RE the draft as the Rams prove by doing it differently and possibly better. Saints trade picks to move up into the first and the Rams don’t. They trade away their picks. That’s different. So your earlier statement was BS. What’s wrong with Davenport is that his production has not been worth two firsts and a third. He’s done nothing more than Hendrickson who was obtained for a single 3rd rounder. What else could the team have gotten with those 2 extra picks? Can you guarantee The Saints would NOT be better off had they not made moves for Davenport and Turner?….of course not. That’s a childish way to “defend” your position. We are discussing philosophies regarding approaching the draft. You stated that no logical argument can be made against the philosophy the Saints use. I just proved you wrong.
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