The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 11:22 AM

Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that.

That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs.

i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas.

You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2022, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that.

That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs.

i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas.

You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic.

Don't forget about Taysom Hill at TE. He was the 19th rated TE (2022 PPR projections) in our dynasty/legacy league draft going on right now.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Don't forget about Taysom Hill at TE. He was the 19th rated TE (2022 PPR projections) in our dynasty/legacy league draft going on right now.

Good point. He slipped my mind.

AsylumGuido · 05-25-2022, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Good point. He slipped my mind.

He's slipped several minds. Somehow, the fantasy sites are on top of it, however.

Boston Saint · 05-25-2022, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He's slipped several minds. Somehow, the fantasy sites are on top of it, however.

Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him.

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him.

Suspect only reason why Taysom is still listed as a QB is so we'll have four QBs for training camp; DA made it clear Taysom will be a TE-H (Upback) as well as other roles...

But this is Winston's third season here so I can't accept the non-familiarity argument; plus he did run with the ones last season, with the more favorable matchups...

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that.

That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs.

i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas.

You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic.

Sure wished we still had Dan Campbell coaching TEs; like Dan Roushar, but not sure how his duties lay out between TEs and Run Game Coordinator...

We also just added Kahale Warring who's got a poor history of staying healthy, but he's athletically a dancing bear; fingers crossed?

Krull left Florida because he was stuck behind Kyle Pitts on the depth chart so he transferred to Pitt and though he only had one season, it was an impressive one...

Quietly optimistic about the depth of the TE position; but as we get into Training Camp/PreSeason, you may recall this conversation...

SmashMouth · 05-25-2022, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Sure wished we still had Dan Campbell coaching TEs; like Dan Roushar, but not sure how his duties lay out between TEs and Run Game Coordinator...

We also just added Kahale Warring who's got a poor history of staying healthy, but he's athletically a dancing bear; fingers crossed?

Krull left Florida because he was stuck behind Kyle Pitts on the depth chart so he transferred to Pitt and though he only had one season, it was an impressive one...

Quietly optimistic about the depth of the TE position; but as we get into Training Camp/PreSeason, you may recall this conversation...

What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice.

jeanpierre · 05-25-2022, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice.

From your lips to the Football Gods Will...

halloween 65 · 05-27-2022, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice.

TE is a need as well as rb to me, hopefully someone steps up. But yeah,it would be nice if he's better than Pitts.

05-25-2022, 11:22 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that. That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs. i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas. You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic. iceshack149 and jeanpierre like this.
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05-25-2022, 12:01 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that. That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs. i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas. You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic. Don't forget about Taysom Hill at TE. He was the 19th rated TE (2022 PPR projections) in our dynasty/legacy league draft going on right now.

05-25-2022, 12:09 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Don't forget about Taysom Hill at TE. He was the 19th rated TE (2022 PPR projections) in our dynasty/legacy league draft going on right now. Good point. He slipped my mind.

05-25-2022, 12:13 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Good point. He slipped my mind. He's slipped several minds. Somehow, the fantasy sites are on top of it, however.

05-25-2022, 12:18 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He's slipped several minds. Somehow, the fantasy sites are on top of it, however. Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him. AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

05-25-2022, 03:14 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Since this is a Winston thread, mentioning Hill brings up another point; Winston still has never had a full training camp/preseason/ under the Saints where he was the number 1 and got to run with the first stringers without sharing time. That’s a big disadvantage for him and Another thing people forget about him. Suspect only reason why Taysom is still listed as a QB is so we'll have four QBs for training camp; DA made it clear Taysom will be a TE-H (Upback) as well as other roles... But this is Winston's third season here so I can't accept the non-familiarity argument; plus he did run with the ones last season, with the more favorable matchups... Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

05-25-2022, 12:19 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by Boston Saint Agree that he has no excuses (maybe his injury) now. On paper he has the tools at WR. He should be able to get near his 5000 yard, 33 Td season while still keeping TOs down. The improved D (vs what he had in Tampa) should ensure that. That being said I am a little worried about the RB situation, esp if Kamara has a suspension. If not he he is still likely to miss a handful of games with injuries. So, I say we have a few question marks at RB. I also don’t like our TE situation unless the Krull steps up. So the RB and TE question marks are worrisome issues just like Winston had at Tampa even though he had good WRs. i do think Payton drilled into him to not thrown INTs..so that kept him down. But so did the lack of quality receivers and TEs. Maybe Payton told him to keep things in check because he felt he didn’t have TEs or WRs that could be trusted to make plays. That happened to Drew in the playoff loss to tampa…his TE fumbled and his WRs weren’t stepping up without a healthy Thomas. You are right though that the proof will be on the field. I am very optimistic. Sure wished we still had Dan Campbell coaching TEs; like Dan Roushar, but not sure how his duties lay out between TEs and Run Game Coordinator... We also just added Kahale Warring who's got a poor history of staying healthy, but he's athletically a dancing bear; fingers crossed? Krull left Florida because he was stuck behind Kyle Pitts on the depth chart so he transferred to Pitt and though he only had one season, it was an impressive one... Quietly optimistic about the depth of the TE position; but as we get into Training Camp/PreSeason, you may recall this conversation... SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.
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05-25-2022, 12:26 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,961 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by jeanpierre Sure wished we still had Dan Campbell coaching TEs; like Dan Roushar, but not sure how his duties lay out between TEs and Run Game Coordinator... We also just added Kahale Warring who's got a poor history of staying healthy, but he's athletically a dancing bear; fingers crossed? Krull left Florida because he was stuck behind Kyle Pitts on the depth chart so he transferred to Pitt and though he only had one season, it was an impressive one... Quietly optimistic about the depth of the TE position; but as we get into Training Camp/PreSeason, you may recall this conversation... What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice. jeanpierre and halloween 65 like this.

05-25-2022, 03:02 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by SmashMouth What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice. From your lips to the Football Gods Will... SmashMouth likes this.

05-27-2022, 11:29 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: The Jameis Winston Doubters Parallel the Drew Brees Doubters of 2006 Originally Posted by SmashMouth What if he turns out to be better than Kyle Pitts? Wouldn't be the first time a college coach biffed up on evaluating a player only to see that player far outdo/exceed his choice. TE is a need as well as rb to me, hopefully someone steps up. But yeah,it would be nice if he's better than Pitts. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.