Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

Maybe so. But Winston had broken through the initial rush and was clear to run had the tampon defender not made a play he KNOWS he’s not supposed to do. Josh Allen and Mahomes earn their living making plays like the one Winston was trying to make.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

Yeah, I feel you at the time I mentioned given that the horse collar is almost always causes injury the penalty should be greater at least an ejection, fine, and possibly suspension.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

Thing is... despite that play and how bad it looked, it was technically not a horse collar. The jersey was grabbed... and was grabbed strong enough so that Winston could not pull away. This portends to behoving a QB to realize his limitations and gracefully and uneventfully go down rather than attempt to fight through, somewhat like Aaron Rodgers does. We've seen over the years a number of players, and not just at the QB position, with an innate ability to feel tacklers and see them gracefully avoid them or go down sans injury. Maybe Jameis learned from this going forward.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

Interesting take Smash. This site thinks it was a horse collar…

https://fansided.com/2021/11/01/nfl-...explained/amp/

I agree with you about players being able to “sense” these things.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

It was definitely a horse collar tackle. That's why the league fined Devin White $15,450 after reviewing the play.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

They did call it... and it looked like it. Maybe the rule includes the top back part of the jersey. But technically a horse collar is when they grab higher at the neck opening of the jersey. I am glad they called it. Doesn't stop the QB from sensing this kind of threat and reacting in a non-injurious manner. If he stops resisting the tackle and goes/falls in the opposite direction, maybe he doesn't injure himself.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

All I know is that Devin White plays undisciplined and reckless (he launches with the crown & tackles after the whistle) football.

Kamara, Ingram, and Taysom would agree with me.

Especially against the Saints. Borderline dirty.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

The rule was changed in 2016, I believe, to include the back of the jersey anywhere from the nameplate and up. Even if the player somehow senses a player behind them, they cannot know that player is going to make an illegal tackle that stops the upper body while allowing the legs to advance past the point of balance. Are you suggesting that anytime a player senses an opponent behind them that they immediately give up and go into a slide or such?

Perhaps I'm just not understanding. :confused:

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury
 

Kamara has some of that ability IMO. Only goes so far unfortunately.

Re: Jameis Winston says “everything is going great” in his return from knee injury