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AsylumGuido 07-06-2022 04:10 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 954457)
I think we may be waiting for the date when their salary isn't full guaranteed. Possibly we're waiting on cuts too.
Yup. For vested veterans that is after week one of the regular season.

iceshack149 07-06-2022 05:28 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954025)
May God give you the patience to label people that don’t agree with you haters?
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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 954079)
Passive aggressive again. Taking one positive play out of how many plays to prove some non-relevant point about Winston and how great he is, and that our RB isn't old. Known scientific fact, everyone ages gradually, then that one day is celebrated every year.

This is the same way you try to let everyone know you are right about MT.

Honestly, to give you the same type of passive aggressive response, we are so fortunate to have the mountain come to us so we don't have to go to the mountain. That is the persona you portray on the thread.

If I need to dissect the fact that until Winston does something to counter-balance his legacy, he will carry that legacy. Bad judgement, in a nutshell, without quoting stats.
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 954118)
Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.

I've never dealt with a more effective troll. We've lost some great people on this site.

AsylumGuido 07-06-2022 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 954467)
I've never dealt with a more effective troll. We've lost some great people on this site.
We lost great people when they got pissed off at the league. Other than that this has been the most active off-season around here in years.

iceshack149 07-07-2022 01:32 PM
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:bs:
You're the biggest irritant this forum has ever had and I can't believe that you're not aware of that fact. Maybe you really don't have any self awareness but you've driven away many members due to your bratty behavior.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 01:39 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 954495)
:bs:
You're the biggest irritant this forum has ever had and I can't believe that you're not aware of that fact. Maybe you really don't have any self awareness but you've driven away many members due to your bratty behavior.
Believe what you wish. :rolleyes:

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954496)
Believe what you wish. :rolleyes:
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! Oh Guido, you are hopeless.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954504)
Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! Oh Guido, you are hopeless.
Quite the contrary. I believe I am one of the most hopeful around here. Or so I've been told.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954505)
Quite the contrary. I believe I am one of the most hopeful around here. Or so I've been told.
You’ve also been told you’re one of the biggest a$$e$ on the internet. Do you believe that too?

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 02:44 PM
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Here is where you don’t live in same world with others Guids…. Ice shack says

“you've driven away many members due to your bratty behavior.”

Now that is a FACT. saintfan left because of you. He may have been wrong
to do so, but it happened and it was due to you. So, your response is not to acknowledge that fact, but to respond to ice with “believe what you wish” with an emoji.

So does that mean you do NOT realize you’ve driven people away? Do you not “believe” that?

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 03:02 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954508)
Here is where you don’t live in same world with others Guids…. Ice shack says

“you've driven away many members due to your bratty behavior.”

Now that is a FACT. saintfan left because of you. He may have been wrong
to do so, but it happened and it was due to you. So, your response is not to acknowledge that fact, but to respond to ice with “believe what you wish” with an emoji.

So does that mean you do NOT realize you’ve driven people away? Do you not “believe” that?
From my understanding saintfan left because he had become so disruptive that half the regulars had placed him on ignore including, from what I was also told, some other mods had tuned him out as well. Also, from what I was told he was asked to stop when he apparently crossed a line and refused, so he left. That's totally on him.

I personally know of no one that I have "driven away". But, this is a fact. I know of several that left the site and all of football in general because of certain political beliefs. Some were members that I got along with well, while others ... not so much.

I realize you have not been around the site for that long, but it usually becomes very scarce around here immediately following the season and that includes many of what you would call regular good posters that disappear into the woodwork only to reappear as the season is getting underway. This off-season, however, has been one of the most active that I can remember in many, many years here at B&G.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 03:52 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954510)
From my understanding saintfan left because he had become so disruptive that half the regulars had placed him on ignore including, from what I was also told, some other mods had tuned him out as well. Also, from what I was told he was asked to stop when he apparently crossed a line and refused, so he left. That's totally on him.

I personally know of no one that I have "driven away". But, this is a fact. I know of several that left the site and all of football in general because of certain political beliefs. Some were members that I got along with well, while others ... not so much.

I realize you have not been around the site for that long, but it usually becomes very scarce around here immediately following the season and that includes many of what you would call regular good posters that disappear into the woodwork only to reappear as the season is getting underway. This off-season, however, has been one of the most active that I can remember in many, many years here at B&G.
Well, That’s where your understanding is full of bull.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954514)
Well, That’s where your understanding is full of bull.
Oops. Double post

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 03:56 PM
Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954510)
From my understanding saintfan left because he had become so disruptive that half the regulars had placed him on ignore including, from what I was also told, some other mods had tuned him out as well. Also, from what I was told he was asked to stop when he apparently crossed a line and refused, so he left. That's totally on him.

I personally know of no one that I have "driven away". But, this is a fact. I know of several that left the site and all of football in general because of certain political beliefs. Some were members that I got along with well, while others ... not so much.

I realize you have not been around the site for that long, but it usually becomes very scarce around here immediately following the season and that includes many of what you would call regular good posters that disappear into the woodwork only to reappear as the season is getting underway. This off-season, however, has been one of the most active that I can remember in many, many years here at B&G.
You’d be surprised how long I’ve been here Guido.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 04:01 PM
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Are you trying to take credit for a busy site
Guido? The fact that the HC, Starting QB, WR, etc for a successful team draws traffic to a Saints fan site surprises you. The fact that you post multiple tweets a day by SI quality “reporters” with in depth articles like “Saints hope to win Super Bowl” means it’s a busy site?

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954514)
Well, That’s where your understanding is full of bull.
I assure you that my "understanding" is 100% fact. I'm sorry, but I will not go into any more details on the open forum.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954518)
I assure you that my "understanding" is 100% fact. I'm sorry, but I will not go into any more details on the open forum.
Believe what you want to believe🙄. You haters gonna hate.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954517)
Are you trying to take credit for a busy site
Guido? The fact that the HC, Starting QB, WR, etc for a successful team draws traffic to a Saints fan site surprises you. The fact that you post multiple tweets a day by SI quality “reporters” with in depth articles like “Saints hope to win Super Bowl” means it’s a busy site?
LOL! Of course not. What I'm saying is that the only members missing that would normally be around at this time of year are those that were bent out of shape by certain political factors demonstrated (pun intended) by the NFL. Yet, it is still busier than normal by leaps and bounds. I expect the regulars to be back and even some of those that swore off the NFL forever.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954520)
LOL! Of course not. What I'm saying is that the only members missing that would normally be around at this time of year are those that were bent out of shape by certain political factors demonstrated (pun intended) by the NFL. Yet, it is still busier than normal by leaps and bounds. I expect the regulars to be back and even some of those that swore off the NFL forever.
Yet you are Ignoring the fact you have been such a disruption to some users that they found this place not worth their time. So, if you weren’t here, other users you’ve driven away would be. The sad thing is you are likely proud of that.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 04:18 PM
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Anyway, I hope the RB corps gets a boost.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954522)
Anyway, I hope the RB corps gets a boost.
Not likely until after they have an idea of any Kamara discipline and timetable. August 26 is the next investigatory hearing scheduled, I believe. I doubt they'll want to sign a vested veteran prior to week one if no suspension has been handed down for Kamara. There's no telling when any legal proceeding will be finalized. The front office have been setting their groundwork and likely have a short list of possibilities they can contact if needed. Kamara's issue aside, we have a better RB situation than much of the league, especially if Abram Smith pans out. Tony Jones, Jr. has flashed at times and knows the system well. And I don't get the lack of love for Ingram. And then there's Washington and Ozigbo. We usually don't keep more than three, maybe four, RB's on the 53 roster along with a single FB.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 04:44 PM
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Way, way, way too early 2023 draft info, but ...

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954523)
Not likely until after they have an idea of any Kamara discipline and timetable. August 26 is the next investigatory hearing scheduled, I believe. I doubt they'll want to sign a vested veteran prior to week one if no suspension has been handed down for Kamara. There's no telling when any legal proceeding will be finalized. The front office have been setting their groundwork and likely have a short list of possibilities they can contact if needed. Kamara's issue aside, we have a better RB situation than much of the league, especially if Abram Smith pans out. Tony Jones, Jr. has flashed at times and knows the system well. And I don't get the lack of love for Ingram. And then there's Washington and Ozigbo. We usually don't keep more than three, maybe four, RB's on the 53 roster along with a single FB.
There’s just too many “ifs” there and dependence on an aging Ingram. Best Saints teams always had great playmaking from the backfield from Deuce to PT to Bush, Sproles, Ingram and now Kamara (Sprinkle in a bit of Ivory etc).

You could be right guido and all works out Ok. But Let’s say that one of these three things happen… Kamara is suspended (or gets hurt) or Ingram can’t hold up or Smith/Jones can’t cut it, then we are down to 2-3 backs to get us through a 17 game season. That’s not enough. It’s not “hatred” that makes fans worried that we don’t have enough at the position.

Edit…

Tony Jones has 57 career carries for a 2.8 yard average
Abram Smith is an undrafted Rookie
Ingram is 32 and averaged less than 4 ypc last year
Ozigbo is unproven to put it mildly

Now, considering Kamara didn’t make it through a full season last year, how can you not understand othe fan’s worries?

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954525)
There’s just too many “ifs” there and dependence on an aging Ingram. Best Saints teams always had great playmaking from the backfield from Deuce to PT to Bush, Sproles, Ingram and now Kamara (Sprinkle in a bit of Ivory etc).

You could be right guido and all works out Ok. But Let’s say that one of these three things happen… Kamara is suspended (or gets hurt) or Ingram can’t hold up or Smith/Jones can’t cut it, then we are down to 2-3 backs to get us through a 17 game season. That’s not enough. It’s not “hatred” that makes fans worried that we don’t have enough at the position.
No kidding, that's why you work up a list of prospective vested RB's that can be added after the week one deadline and have them on speed dial. Once again, the Saints routinely carry only three RB's and a FB on the 53 man roster. You can go back and verify that on ourlads.com Saints page.

There's not much more that can be done right now. Sure, you can add some non-vested player as an eighth training camp RB, but then you'll need to cut a player from another position. But come final cut day they'll all be released other than the base three RB's and one FB.

I get your concern, but rosters are limited and you can't just stock away players on roster just for the sake of having them available. That's what makes it so complicated. There's only so many slots open.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954525)
Edit…

Tony Jones has 57 career carries for a 2.8 yard average
Abram Smith is an undrafted Rookie
Ingram is 32 and averaged less than 4 ypc last year
Ozigbo is unproven to put it mildly

Now, considering Kamara didn’t make it through a full season last year, how can you not understand othe fan’s worries?
Of course I get the concerns. Every team in the NFL has the exact same concerns. They also have the exact same constraints. That's why there's all those veteran RB's out there as free agents.

As for last year's RB numbers ... I go back to only one offensive lineman playing every game and he played two different positions last year. We can basically throw out last year.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954526)
No kidding, that's why you work up a list of prospective vested RB's that can be added after the week one deadline and have them on speed dial. Once again, the Saints routinely carry only three RB's and a FB on the 53 man roster. You can go back and verify that on ourlads.com Saints page.

There's not much more that can be done right now. Sure, you can add some non-vested player as an eighth training camp RB, but then you'll need to cut a player from another position. But come final cut day they'll all be released other than the base three RB's and one FB.

I get your concern, but rosters are limited and you can't just stock away players on roster just for the sake of having them available. That's what makes it so complicated. There's only so many slots open.
So, you disagree with me when I say “I hope the Saints bolster the RB position”?

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954528)
So, you disagree with me when I say “I hope the Saints bolster the RB position”?
No. Not if needed and when that need is pressing. But I certainly don't see it as a urgent need unless some miracle happens so Nevada declines to prosecute Kamara on August 26th. That opens the league up to immediately lay down a suspension. Otherwise they'll wait until the case is final and who know when that will happen.

Or if one or more of our current RB's get injured. God forbid.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954529)
No. Not if needed and when that need is pressing. But I certainly don't see it as a urgent need unless some miracle happens so Nevada declines to prosecute Kamara on August 26th. That opens the league up to immediately lay down a suspension. Otherwise they'll wait until the case is final and who know when that will happen.

Or if one or more of our current RB's get injured. God forbid.
Fair enough. But consider this; Kamara has never started 16 games in a season. Last year he started 10. I don’t think his health is going to get better as he gets older. So, even discounting a possible suspension, I question if Smith, Jones (love that name combo as I’ve said before) and Ingram can get the rest done. A team has to be able to rush the ball when needed.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954530)
Fair enough. But consider this; Kamara has never started 16 games in a season. Last year he started 10. I don’t think his health is going to get better as he gets older. So, even discounting a possible suspension, I question if Smith, Jones (love that name combo as I’ve said before) and Ingram can get the rest done. A team has to be able to rush the ball when needed.
You described every other NFL team. Very few RB's start every game. But you are limited to roster spots. What you are not limited to is the number of phone #'s on your speed dial.

SaintGnome 07-07-2022 05:54 PM
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Well, it's just July there's a lot of time to improve both RB and TE positions before the season begins. There was a Pierre Thomas, maybe there's another one hanging around now and we haven't seen him yet.

I kinda think DA is the victim of his successes he turned the weakness of the WR's as well as DB's into a strength so quickly (very possibly O-line as well) that people expect all positions settled as quickly. :)

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 954534)
Well, it's just July there's a lot of time to improve both RB and TE positions before the season begins. There was a Pierre Thomas, maybe there's another one hanging around now and we haven't seen him yet.

I kinda think DA is the victim of his successes he turned the weakness of the WR's as well as DB's into a strength so quickly (very possibly O-line as well) that people expect all positions settled as quickly. :)
Here's hoping Abram Smith is the next Pierre Thomas.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954533)
You described every other NFL team. Very few RB's start every game. But you are limited to roster spots. What you are not limited to is the number of phone #'s on your speed dial.
It’s not every other team. If you consider the likely suspensions and injuries, then there are many other teams who have better projected backfields than ours. You are blind. Our leading rusher didn’t even get 900 yards last year. Now is where you blame it all on the line.

AsylumGuido 07-07-2022 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 954537)
It’s not every other team. If you consider the likely suspensions and injuries, then there are many other teams who have better projected backfields than ours. You are blind. Our leading rusher didn’t even get 900 yards last year. Now is where you blame it all on the line.
*shaking my head*

Where did I say other teams didn't have better projected backfields than ours? Every team has possible unknown issues.

Please Lord give me patience.

Boston Saint 07-07-2022 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 954538)
*shaking my head*

Where did I say other teams didn't have better projected backfields than ours? Every team has possible unknown issues.

Please Lord give me patience.
Give you patience to make sense? You contradicted yourself. I don’t expect
you to Acknowledge it though. That’s Ok. Doesn’t mean I hate you Guido.

Rugby Saint II 07-10-2022 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 953959)
I really think this is the easiest position to address. There’s a surplus of running backs in the NFL. Find you a partner and trade for one.

Alexander Mattison
Darrell Henderson
J.D. McKissisic

There’s a lot of back ups that could come in and hold it down. Send a pick and let’s get it going.
Hopefully we will get 2 1st round draft picks for patent next year

SmashMouth 07-20-2022 01:31 PM
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